Why does Sasquawk not replay a Corrupted Shaladrassil?
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its not really corrupted as in the keyword corrupted, which i think changes the card into a completely different veersion. it just gets activated. its like “if you played an elemental this turn, do x”, which also doesnt replicate the activated effect when replayed with cards like sasquawk.
in other words, it only ever replays the base version
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This is true, but I think it’s not really consistent/expectable to work this way.
Shouldn’t it corrupt? Everything else about the cards is a copy-paste of the corruption mechanic
Blame the general decay of the populace and the rise of disdain for intelligence. They probably thought bringing back a simple keyword in limited fashion to be too complicated for the players to understand. And they’re probably right. After all, these are the same players who get their feelings hurt and quit by seeing accurate win/loss statistics, which is why only wins are displayed now.
The “children’s card game” meme is becoming more and more true, as we forget what it means to be adult.
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the fact that ursol replays the corrupted version kind of makes me feel like sasquawk should replay the corrupted version too but idk whatever
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When Ursol turns the spell into an aura the aura repeats using the exact version (corrupted or not). If another effect recasts the spell later on, it casts it using the text on the card, which by definition can’t be corrupted because the way the card reads it’s impossible for it have been corrupted.
Compare to the wording on this card, which should add the corrupt version to your hand.
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It’s true, yeah, I remember noticing before that this is a trend, and clearly have forgotten already xD
Yes, even the new “Miniaturize” card that deals 4 dmg when corrupted lacks that keyword.
I really dislike that inconsistency.
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Their official statement is that they want new players to be able to understand a maximum of cards by simply reading them with the least tooltip explanation
More than “hard to understand” the idea is to prevent users to have to memorize a bunch of keywords that are specific to 1 or 2 cards, which makes the game unnecessarily heavier and less newcommer-friendly
Do the Forged cards get copied, in similar situations?
Yes, they do. Forge is a keyword, just like Corrupt, and replaying those cards when Forged and/or Corrupted will replay their forged or corrupted form.
Obviously, Shaladrassil - sasquawk interaction is an exception because Shaladrassil doesn’t have a corrupt keyword.
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Because there is no such thing.
Shaladrassil does not itself have the Corrupt keyword.
It’s extemely far from an exception
replaying a card always replay the base version of the card
If fulfilling a condition doesn’t transform the card, then you will replay the base version with unfulfilled requirements, unless said requirement can remain fulfilled in certain conditions
The actual exception is Ursol being able to cast a fulfilled Shaladrassil, because we expect the spell put as an aura to be an non-enchanted version of the card, but it’s actually able to cary over to the aura
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No, it doesn’t. Forged and Corrupted card is not the same card as the base card, so it can’t possibly repeat the base card, as that card hasn’t been played
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Sorry my wording may have been confusing and you did not understand what I meant
I will reword it more accurately
replaying a card always replay the unenchanted version of the card
You only replay a card with its conditional benefits if fulfilling the condition transforms the card into another one.
If the condition doesn’t transform the card and only enchants it, you will not get that enchantment when replaying the card.
Unless of course if the condition can be fulfilled anyway (like having played an elemental last turn)
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I simply cannot understand why you felt the need to even write this
Isn’t it self-explainable? Ofc you can’t recast a corrupted version of a spell if you haven’t corrupted it before
I just don’t get it
Anyways, back to the topic of inconsistency…Well, the only thing that crosses my mind is the difference in card texts.
Sasquawk repeats the cards played last turn, whatever that meant, while Ursol CASTS a spell we’re currently holding in our hands. And not just that, it seems that the text actually is telling us that WE are casting that spell, not the card itself, which could also play a role in this
Contrary to that, Sasquawk is the one playing cards instead of us
This entire thread just goes to show the game needs to stop adding gimmicks.
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Yes it is self-explainable, which is exactly why that’s absolutely not what I explained
Yeah I see that
I’m not saying that you can’t replay a corrupted card if you didn’t corrupt it before
I’m saying that you can’t replay a “corrupted” card if the “corrupted” version is the same card than the base version but enchanted. You can only replay a corrupted card if the corrupted version is a different card.
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Well…
It is more complicated thanks to the wording now that ursol was print.
There is a case to be advocated that If it is refering to the card who you did already met the requirement and therefore should not be the base form and should be change.
When you mention a copy of it instead then It is correct to use the base form. Because as a copy the card did not pass by whatever process It takes to Activate the effect. That Second also applies to spell cast by Minions because you can’t corrupt a card you not hold for example.
In fact someone could argue that ursol is the annonaly here because blizzard did Go as Far as creating a exclusive wording on It that not makes any sense other than make a excuse to allow ursol and only ursol to recast spells on non base form.
This all would also be stop by blizzard simply reprinting the damm keyword corrupt on the spell and making It act like normal corrupt cards where it actually changes form.
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It’s a bug to me. 20 characters.
100% agree with you. Having a spell that generates cards, which cards change based on a condition of the original spell, then being cast by a battlecry minion and as a result turned into an aura effect… if Shaladrassil actually had the corrupt keyword it would be 50% less ridiculous.
It is clearly resolving as intended but it shouldn’t take third order logic to figure it out.
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