Has a similar vibe to Jandice in terms of tempo/bodies without the low-roll/high-roll and guaranteed burst. Can have strong synergy with weapon effects like Cutting Class. I truly need to see what’s in the core set to know whether this is insane or if most Rogue decks would still prefer Mr. Smite.
cutting class rotates out.
6 mana
6/5 minion
(2) 2/1 minions that have +2 attack so (2) 4/1 minions with rush
That’s
6 mana
6/5 minion
4/1 rush
4/1 rush
That alone is busted good. There’s no way Rogues don’t run that sort of removal.
But we’re not done yet!
You run 1 of those 4/1 minions into an enemy minion.
Now you have a 4/1 weapon
You attack with said weapon to face and deal 4 damage
Now you run the other 4/1 minion into an enemy minion
You just equipped a new 4/1 weapon
Now, if your minion survives next turn, you have a 4/1 weapon or 2/1 if it does die
So all in all, for 6 mana:
6/5 body
4/1 with rush
4/1 with rush
4/1 weapon
4/1 weapon or 2/1 weapon next turn
With all the stats you get that I just listed above? You sure about that?
Why wouldn’t any Rogue deck run this? It’s crazy value, removal, threat, and damage. This thing is nuts for 6 mana. So much so, that it’s likely going to get mana nerfed.
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yes.
it’s a nice reactive tool to clear up some minions and develop some tempo, for sure… hence why you would put it in a tempo deck.
BUT
the only current tempo deck rogue has is Q rogue, and Q rogue actually doesn’t really benefit from this:
drawing this delays quest draws, they have better single target removal than 4/1 rush, they have 3/2 weapons, and etc.
but mostly because drawing a 6 drop early instead of an si card or a draw card can be the difference between winning or losing with the deck.
The other current rogue deck is weapon rogue, who obviously wouldnt run this ever. Having your weapon broken and replaced by a 2/1 is a sure way to lose there.
old garotte wouldnt run this either, not only it doesnt fit the goal of the deck, but drawing a 6 cost during a field contact chain could be devastating.
so we would need a new tempo deck to run this. For which, we have 0 ways to know if there will be one or not
If there’s something like the old “miracle field contact” deck, then it could fit, the same way Jandice fit into there (this has on average more stats than Jandice, Jandice had the upside of being a far greater shadowstep target), as I said eaarlier. Although most/all good 1 cost battlecries and combo pieces that deck relied upon are rotating, so we would need a ton of cards to make it work.
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I see what you’re saying, but with nitroboost rotating and deadly poison likely on the chopping block from core, Poison Rogue is not looking like it will be a thing. If it is, I obviously agree with you that they wouldn’t run it, but I don’t see Poison Rogue doing anything without those 2 cards.
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what the hell is that
leave it to rogues to befriend the ugliest thing they found on the bottom of the ocean
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Lmao, i did not see this complaint coming.
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This is a nice boost both to burgle rogue and deathrattle rogue!
Bonus point for synergising also with the upcoming pirate rogue.
Finally it all makes sense, the pieces of the puzzle are coming together 
Oof, I should’ve been more clear. Instead of “like Cutting Class”, I think “à la Cutting Class” or “similar to Cutting Class” would’ve been less janky.
Purely just want to drive home that I am curious to see what is in Core and/or if any Weapon-Rogue synergies are available post-expansion/rotation. The devs did say they like when Weapon Rogue is a strong niche archetype in the Rogue nerfs so I am cautiously optimistic it will get some limited support… maybe?
Edit: Obviously this wouldn’t be run in our current iteration of Weapon/Poison Rogue… but I could see some type of hybrid stealth-weapon something or other potentially coming together.
dont get me wrong, weapon rogue wont survive the rotation, too much of its draw is rotating out.
(although weapon buffs like silverleaf are still in, and you would certainly not use those in a 2/1 weapon).
my point was that none of the current decks would run, and not even the deck from 1-2 seasons ago would (garotte).
so, the 3 latest rogue decks wouldnt run it for the reasons i said before.
it also doesnt really has any synergy with deathrattle (i mean, doubling the deathrattle does nothing, drawing it with smokescreen does nothing, and etc) which is one more potential theme they tried to push recently.
I see your point that “traditionally” rogue had tempo decks, and this would certainly fit into such a deck… but we dont have any indication if such a deck will exist or not.
maybe it will, maybe it wont.
but based on all the above, is why i said that this card wouldn’t be run in “all rogue decks” like some people implied.
it could fit one particular style of deck, yes, but that’s it.
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Well, Crabatoa hasn’t always been this glam…
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Legit just thought of this, went to type it, and it was already here
You’re welcome.
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Oh snap, I can post YT links again?? How 'bout that.
I’m more a fan of Dan Vasc’s covers of things, but no one else seems to have done Shiny.
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This reminds me of a mini Kurtrus, Demon-Render.
6 mana? Checked
Two rushing minions on the turn it is played? Checked
On average, 12 damage to distribute to multiple targets? Checked
Forget draw. Even if there somehow was enough new draw or poisons, weapon Rogue won’t survive cloak of shadows rotating. It’s a cheese deck that heavily relies on cloak to make it seem like half it’s matchups arent super polarized. Vs aggro/tempo with no cloak it’d be like an 20%/80% in favor of the aggro/tempo opponent. Also nitroboost isn’t really in poison Rogue lists (Maybe in wild with the 1 drop charge pirate.) For poison Rogue to survive rotation it would need blade flurry to be added to the core set. Maybe to actually play minions too xD. Either way it would be a very different deck.
There will be a home for this card. It won’t be in every Rogue deck, like you said, but there will be some kind of tempo deck that uses it. Maybe even a few decks if the meta is diverse. It’s too good to pass on. It’s such a big potential tempo swing. Also the closest thing Rogue has to aoe (depending on what gets added to the core set.)
Quest Rogue is tight on slots, but I don’t think it’s impossible that this would be included. You can use it to counteract people trying to go wide to play around your single target removal. And/or for a little extra chip damage to face from the weapons. There are several versions of the deck with the 4 or 5 slots available to play around with. I could see this replacing something or just being added since there are cards rotating from the deck.
This is how a finisher card should look. Another well designed card that involves the board. Could get nutty if Step is still in the base set.