I feel like they actually made the hero choice even more relevant because economy is so important for finishing your quest quickly.
Stolen Gold Tarecgosa can run away with a lobby if you get it quickly, but Stolen Gold in a beast lobby is much scarier in my opinion.
It’s not unplayable, Funglmancer is the 2nd best hero in the game right behind Ysera. It’s broken.
They used to be with Buddies. Now? About half are playable. Millificent is garbage as is Rat King.
I don’t consider myself a good BG player. Currently, I’m in the ~6k MMR range but that’s because BGs just started so everyone is still climbing. I’ve never felt like I got swept in the lobby, unlike I did with buddies back in the day. I am constantly able to get to about turn 10 now. It starts getting crazy highroll around turn 10. I see a lot more higher turns now than I did before. Games feel a tad bit longer.
What MMR did you stop after this reset though? Did you just do a couple games and quit?
lol you aren’t lying. But unfortunately, greybough sucks right now as hard as that is to believe.
Idk what information you’re looking for, but flurgl is feast or famine for fun, not a climbing choice. If you aren’t finding more murlocs than just one every four you sell, you will die as flurgl before you can stabilize outside of high roll. Seriously, the free data is bad.
Is and always has been garbage.
Buddies helped, but still not a good pick.
That’s the end of midgame. In previous iterations of the mode you had two more turns to get set to roll in endgame. Two turns faster is HUGE. Think about the differend between turn 7 lethal on 30 health opponent and turn 5 lethal on a 40 health opponent in standard and that’s the change I am talking about with quest meta. It’s so fast as to not be interesting.
In previous seasons you would go to T5 on 9 and ten is your first full turn to roll for the key items. If you’re waiting that late now it’s over.
You hit early or you die. That’s it.
Where are you getting your information?
Are you aware that there are radical changes from the data you see for free and what you see in higher lobbies?
Daryl is one that stands out to me. I have about an 80% top four with him, but if you go by free HSreplay he’s awful.
Also understand that people are conceding a ton post reset, so data isn’t very accurate.
It doesn’t matter. I am still getting 300 points for a first, meaning I am matching on internal MMR - it’s not the same as rank and doesn’t reset. I am playing other 8-9k+players and seeing those lobbies. I wish I could roll noobs.
I have the paid subscription. Furgl is the top of Tier 2. I can screenshot if you’d like.
Agreed. The worst hero I’d say. I never pick him.
I have the paid sub. I can screenshot if you wish.
They don’t have their full data bands, though? Top 20%?
I can’t see post nerf flurgl that good unless quests are just a crapshoot bonanza, which, you know, that’s exactly what they are.
I checked, I am at like 700 rating and I have no interest in the game. At all. I have been a rabid fan since it launched, but between quests, the runestone change, and the stupid, stupid, stupid, ugly, awful cosmetic CRAP on that thing they call a reward track which is only a disguise to avoid outright pay to win, they lost my business and my interest.
Awful. Unplayable. Jumped the shark and I am out.
How bad do I not like hearthstone right now? I played dr PRIEST in wild to get my five wins this week. It was the most fun I’ve had playing this game since this year, not expansion, year started.
Pretty sure I am about done with this game.
As I said, TFT has grabbed all my attention. Much more interesting right now.
https://i.ibb.co/6XQ3nfs/grey.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/m4C60BJ/furgl.jpg
That shows top 5% which is where I’m at currently.
I can show all players, and other settings, but it’s more or less the same.
Also, tell me about TFT. I tried to play it but couldn’t quite grasp it, even though I played LoL a lot. (It’s nothing like League obv). I wanted to start playing it again, and I agree it’s a much better game. I just feel like I’m too far behind on the knowledge to play catch up and get good.
Shocking. Flurgl was super strong before, but that’s a big nerf. Wow.
And Greybough is good in the right lobby. Adjusting the minion choices can make HUGE differences in hero value.
I once saw a guy take greybough in a lobby without mechs, demons, and beasts. He was last. Lol.
Thanks for the links.
The rest of the list isn’t shocking, those are the good ones when you know what you’re doing.
I was annoyed that heistbarron’s hero power doesn’t advance the stolen gold quest, lol.
VERY true. If Mechs are in the game, Greybough is a safe choice and he becomes Tier 2. With Beasts he’s a Tier 3. The problem is that right now, Mechs are king.
You are correct. The dr quest reward is overall the best reward. It is extremely consistent.
I just had the most fun game ever with denatrius, dr quest reward and tiny reward. Staying for a long time on t2 to find all the important pieces.
This was final comp.
-10/6 leroy
-34/30 taunt leroy
-70/70 golden boombot with module
-60/60 golden harvest golem with module (i wanted to avoid this as the dr is bad but it got to big and it had to stay)
-68/66 golden selfless taunt
-50/52 golden trickster taunt
-26/32 golden kangor
This is far from optimal,i am not sure what the optimal build would look like tbh. You do want 2x leroy and probably also selfless trickster and boombot (if they are in).
A barron maybe would have been nice but i didnt find one and i am not even sure it would have been that great.
Stayed on 2 till like 9 gold to find the pieces and taunts things so that they would actually scale in the midgame (this is quiet important). After that trippling into 5,s for leroys and baron.
Was a first place against a mishmash leaper build with also golden boombot and a barron as well. He had the same quest reward minus tiny. To my surprise this did beat many , almost complete , tribe synergetic builds like buster mechs along the way with good odds for every fight.
Its a very strong and consistent build,maybe the most consitent build/quest overall.
It is indeed lots of fun,now trying to figure out the optimal theoretical setup.
You can go the beast route with this as well but beasts are quiet contested and the big guys are not optimal for leapers.
For me it’s just so boring to play against murloc.
I just leave and rejoin a game if murlocs are part of it.
I love building crazy things that usually don’t work.
But losing from stupid 200hp poison murlocs I have done that to many times.
Played murlocs with the right quest/heroes twice. And people had no chance at all.
It’s just boring to play against.
And being forced to fully counter murlocs because they are in the game isnt a way a battle royale should work in my opinion.
I don’t understand that 90% of al complains about battleground is poison murlocs already going years back.
It’s not about broken or op. Its just boring
I’m proud of you getting that far with the knowledge you have.
Meanwhile I just got #1 place 4 games in a row, all murlocs, no matter the quest or hero. I understand that this community has a lot of people who are convinced that they’re god’s gift to us mortals but maybe disagreeing with everyone doesn’t make you smart.
If you actually do well against these comps then great, but I think 80-90% of battleground players would disagree with you. It shouldn’t be possible to brainlessly play that comp over and over again and crush other people who are more creative with what they play.
Also if you’re claiming that the comp is so weak, why would it bother you if it got removed/nerfed? “High ranked” people aren’t using it because it’s “weak” and “Low ranked” people can’t counter it. Looks like a win-win to me.
As far as the quests go, yea they are random and that can hurt your chances, but 90% of the game is luck. You may not roll the minions that you need and you may not get them to attack your enemies carry. It sucks but it’s just as random as anything else.
Clearly you play in low level lobbies.
Enjoy your wins.
Everyone agreeing with you doesn’t make you right, either.
Then they would be objectively wrong. Their experiences don’t make things facts.
Murlocs aren’t all that great in BGs against competent players. They are the pirate quest warriors of the bgs = they murder noobs and are destroyed/not played by actual, good players.
Yet again you make my pirate quest warrior analogy. The silly thing was nerfed out of the meta due to noob whining and kvetching. I don’t see that happening in BGs.
Becuase there’s not reason to remove them and poison is a valid mechanic that is necessary for a healthy meta.
I was vocal about wanting Sefin out because it was degenerate to scam it on your whole board with a reborn/scallywag cheese strat. I have no issues with toxfin.
This is what bad players tell themselves to sooth their bruised egos.
If it was that much luck you wouldn’t have so much consistency in the leaderboards. Note Jeef was #1 on both US and EU at one point last season, which sort of blows a gaping hole in that whole “it’s all badz lux hur dur” that bad players keep spouting.
Jeef gets Rank 1 on both NA & EU : BobsTavern (reddit.com)
The whole mode is making due with the minions you see, not rerolling indefinitely to find the minions you want. If you don’t see X minions, then you aren’t actually playing that build, right?
Quests are awful. Awful. They absolutely ruin the mode by making broken highroll normal instead of an anomaly. In my mind they have removed more skill from the mode than any change made to the mode since its inception.
To my tastes, quests have made the meta unplayable, but that’s a separate topic from “remove murlocs” from the mode.
If you want to start a “remove quests” petition I will sign right up.
5,4k+ and a big win percentage so I think the MMR is quite solid, but thanks for wanting me to enjoy nonetheless
True, so I guess we’ll call it a tie there.
Eh…that’s kinda how experiments prove facts. You test something on a group of people and the majority of the experiences make final results. I think the game should be oriented more towards the 98% rather than 2% of people.
Well I think a lot of people including myself already have named a couple good reasons. As far as poison goes, you have the lvl 6 minion with poisonous and leeroy. I think that can take care of it and it can replace the comps where the whole board has poisonous.
I’m not sure how you think Sefin is more broken. It would take a lot more set up and longer to get the same results you get with toxfin/battlecry quest/lvl 6 battlecry triggering murloc…
I don’t see the point in bringing up last season, I’m sure you were a god at it and I’m sure others were too. But I’m talking about this season. I didn’t mind murlocs at all last season, it’s this one that’s the problem.
It is, but you can’t deny that the ones that you get can screw you over while someone else might get exactly what they’re looking for.
Wouldn’t you call that…luck? 
I could now argue that I won last few games regardless of the quests I was given and say that your experience doesn’t matter, but I won’t. Nothing I previously said was false. You’re just more bothered by quests, and many others are by murlocs. It’s possible for both sides to be right.
Lol, k.
No, we won’t. You are still wrong.
No, it isn’t. Experiments are conducted under defined, controlled conditions and afterwards are exhaustively critiqued by peers to find alternative explanations for the observations.
“Fifty bad BG players have the same results as me” isn’t an “experiment” in any real sense. It’s shared anecdote.
It is. You too can learn to play well, my dude! The rules and tools are the same at all levels, but some players use them better…just like anything competitive.
But that’s the quest, not the combo. It was waaaay too easy to get seven poison in Sefin land when you could golden it and get two at a time. Many of the builds would even drop brann to finish the game.
No.
Murlocs are fine, you are wrong. Your position is rooted in false assumptions about gameplay.
Then read what I wrote and if it isn’t self evident, try again. The point was clear.
Full meltdown. Love it. “You are wrong”.
You’re a long way from being a developed person. Have fun “being right” in your fortress of solitude. With that, have a nice night!
I expect they will add an option, like pay 5 runestones to ban a specific tribe for the next game, or something similar.
Ha, guy who plays trash lobbies and doesn’t understand the game throws insults at higher ranked, better, more skilled player. News at 11.
There’s no meltdown here, lol. Just me laughing at bad players making excuses for their bad instead of getting better.
That might sell better than the trash cosmetics they used as lipstick on their p2w pass.
It really does always feel like noob hate on murlocs doesn’t it?
Murlocs:
Typically no shields
No Deathrattles
Need a brann to compete with stats
Toxfin is much more complicated to get 7 poisonous minions with and keep scaling.
At some point you can dump the brann and swap to some form of shield or try to get a 7th poison with murk eye etc. But the bottom line is toxfin requires much more gold and is far more complicated to fully set up than sifin
Literally eating popcorn while reading this thread lol.
Don’t agree on this at all, Toxfin is WAY easier to get a full board of poison. WAY EASIER . . . at least in my experiences.