Description:
“Gains an extra effect in your hand that changes each turn”
Key word: EXTRA
Extra would imply in addition to the normal effect.
What is the normal effect of this card in addition to it’s attack and durability which are not effects, as it does not seem to have any effects listed at all?
Have you ever tried to read the hints in the game? Attacking with a weapon is already a weapon ability. Next time just read before making pointless threads
Extra does not mean it’s supposed to already have one at first
If you place an order for just a pizza, the restaurant can give you a free extra drink
It doesn’t mean you already had a drink in your order
not one of the keywords available in game. so i’m guessing you meant relevant word?
ability != effect
Like wise if I order a pizza with 4 toppings, and they gave me an extra topping, or even gave me an extra pizza.
Can’t go into the store and say I’m not buying anything and they still give you an extra pizza. similarly, giving me a weapon with no effect, then giving me an effect is not an extra effect, it’s just an effect. extra means in addition to
a) Word is on the card
b) the card was in my selection of three at end of match
c) outside of a match but still within HS would constitute in the game.
d) key word vs relevant are the same, they are synonyms, it’s like me telling you the door is closed, and you say no it’s not it’s shut.
no, in hearthstone keywords are bolded words on the card. i.e. deathrattle, battlecry, etc. there is a distinction in this game specifically. maybe it is petty to point out, but i was striving for accuracy, more than saying you’re wrong. i’m sorry, if you took it that way.
Which is not contradictory of what I explained
You are receiving an effect in addition of the weapon you are paying mana for
Extra means you already had a base, not that the base is of the same type of the extra, even though it can be
Yeah unfortunately I was using the term ‘Key Word’ linguistically, rather than a reference to a feature of hearth stone.
For your benefit, the ‘Key Word’ in my writing was EXTRA (replace EXTRA with dictionary description).
Actually it is. You just seem like a boot licker whom will always side with the majority right or wrong, and mainly to garner likes and # of posts. That aside. If we use your concept, we end up with a contradiction using another ingame example.
a) Rogue Ability
b) Warrior Ability
c) Shaman Ability
So if I changed the shaman ability to give an EXTRA weapon, I would need to give him one in addition to the one he is already getting. Since he is not getting one, I am not giving him an EXTRA weapon, but rather just giving him a weapon.
You can repeat that above for both armor and damage.
But when we reach #4, it has an effect, so giving it an EXTRA effect is valid as it is in addition to the effect it already has/given.
Honestly, it’s shameful how many Blizzard players fail to understand and utilize correctly the linguistic meanings of words and argue that the definition of the words means something else.
edit:
After thinking about your future response, I have been able to determine your likely rebuttal, and offer the following for consideration before you cement it into history.
You have mentioned base. This is relevant, though you are defining base (as in my examples above) as the ‘ability’. This is incorrect. The base is the subject that follows the word ‘Extra’. It doesn’t matter if it is a weapon, armor, ability, discount, sleep, step, or whatever, the ‘EXTRA’ is defined by what follows it. If you don’t get 1 of what follows it, then it’s not extra. Extra has to be a result of greater than 1, not greater than 0.
So long of an explanation just to repeat, but meaner, what you already said
Any single of your claims is highly subjective of what is the base, what is an ability, what is an effect and what is not. Looks like you can’t stand anyone not sharing your subjectiveness on the topic yet you can’t provide a clear definition of what is an ability or an effect in the game
Completely arbitrary to qualify summoning a minion an effect, but equipping a weapon not. yet you use that as a proof of your logic
The normal effect of the card is playing a weapon. Every card has an “effect” which is: Do what the card does. Equip a weapon, summon a minion, or cast a spell (i.e. add to the spell count for things like Yogg-Saron). Now, what those cards DO add effects to the default effect of playing the card. Also, the wording is for consistency. The dev team would rather not look through the cards they’re making and go “OK, Remixed Musician (3/3 Rush) and Unidentified Elixir (Give a minion +2/+2) have effects already, so they can say “extra effect” and “bonus effect” respectively, but Remixed Dispense-o-bot (3/3 Mech) and Unidentified Maul (2/2 Weapon) DON’T have additional effects beyond playing the card, so we have to word it differently”.
So, cards like Heavy Plate, Iron Hide, Dr. Boom’s Scheme, Shieldmaiden, etc. don’t have effects. I mean, after all gaining armor is apparently not an effect. So, if I “added an effect” to them, that’s how I would have to word it, right? “Add an effect” and not “add an extra effect”. Like the response below says, that’s rather arbitrary. Also, summoning a minion is an effect? So, what happens when you play a minion? Does it trigger effects that say “When you summon a minion”? If so, then isn’t the effect of that card summoning a minion? And then the other effects on the card are “extra” effects that occur in addition to summoning the minion.
Edit: Or, to use a closer example to what’s being discussed: I play Fiery War Axe. That discounts my Abyssal Bassist, which reads “Costs (2) less for each weapon you’ve equipped this game”. Therefore, equipping the weapon is an effect that occurs, which has consequences for other cards I’ve played.
this would totally be a valid response in any coversation…except, in a forum dedicated to hearthstone discussions. lol
you can’t see how this could be confusing? since “extra” isn’t a keyword.
This and…
This. Are the best explanations I’ve read thus far and can agree that it works as intended following these explanations/guidelines
I can, though the linguistic meaning of a word/s doesn’t change or cease simply based on where (forums, class, store, brothel) or how (verbal, written, signed, charades) it is used.
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correct, but you are on a hearthstone forum, to discuss bugged interactions. if this were the multipayer discussion…sure. but you are on the bug forum so you should strive for clarity, so that people can help. using an in-game term colloquially is confusing when you want people to understand the problem. (remember English is not everyone’s first language) why i suggested relevant instead.
i’m done with this. if you don’t see where i’m coming from, then i wasted my time in the first place.
Sorry but enough people reported the thread as trolling which cause a ban on my posting, and enough time has passed that I would have to reread everything to adequately pickup where I left off and have no interest in doing so if that’s the type of people that are in this thread.
Listen Duke, you know how the card works. Everyone explained it to you. It’s over. Play the game now.