Regis discusses nerf targets

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For the most part I agree: Mechashark and Switcheroo don’t need nerfs at all.

What I’d personally like to see for nerfs:

  • Pufferfist to 3 Health (from 4).
  • Multi-Strike to +1 Attack (from +2).
  • Wildheart Guff hero power to empty mana crystals (from full).
  • Kael’thas Sunstrider to every third spell costing 1 Mana (from 0).
  • The Darkness is banned. Nevermind, no Switcheroo nerf is needed, even in Wild.

I’d also buff several cards:

  • Azsharan Saber to 3 Mana (from 4).
  • Lightmaw Netherdrake to 5 Health (from 4).
  • Tooth of Nefarian to 2 Mana (from 3).
  • Coral Keeper to 4/5 stats (from 3/4).
  • Hellfire to 3 Mana (from 4).
  • Dragged Below to 3 Mana (from 4).
  • Sira’kess Cultist to 2 Mana (from 3).
  • Gorloc Ravager to 4 Health (from 3).

I know those buff suggestions are Warlock focused but the class is truly struggling to make anything work currently.

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I would love to see Defend the Dwarven District Quest to 3/3/3.

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Sign me up. I’m usually a warlock player. This expansion? Nope.

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Quest Hunter in Standard is currently 50.4% winrate. That’s pretty close to the balance ideal of 50%. I think a nerf would be a net detriment.

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What’s the rationale for the switcheroo combo not needing a nerf? Cause I’m 90% sure it gets one.

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Yeah I know; but it is way to easy to complete in Wild and I’m a wild player. For standard is much harder to win.

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It’s as someone else said here. It’s like a coin flip. The priest either draws right or dies/concede. It is the epitome of unfun gameplay. It’s kinda of a meme, and its winrate doesn’t justify nerfs. I believe its functionality justifies a nerf, or something.

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Of all my switcheroo runs I tried is all concedes and only 1; I was able to succeed.

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Whatcha mean? Sorry.

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The deck where you have only 2 minions in the deck to switch for potentially a strong opening to win.

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It doesn’t need a nerf in Standard. I edited the OP to include Wild changes.

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I agree. It’s an early win con that’s difficult to answer for many classes. It’s the same as gibberling, trogg, the 1/4 murloc, etc. Those all caught nerfs because non-games are something they really try avoid.

So I’m curious why Mr McB and Regis think it doesn’t need one won’t get one.

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As usual, you’re basing this entirely off win rate?

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Nerfs are often made regardless of winrate. Despite some people that believe only winrate ought to be considered, they have to understand that this is a game and feelings (namely fun/unfun) need to be considered. That’s the reality.

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Not entirely. Actually if I was basing things solely off current winrate in Diamond I’d be wanting to nerf the deck. I am willing to concede that this is a close call. But there are numerous factors that indicate that winrate should drop below 50% in Diamond for Meme Priest in the near future, or at least within less than 1% of 50% if still above. At those winrate levels it shouldn’t be a problem.

Such factors include:

  • Steeply declining populatity at all ranks
  • 48.4% winrate at top Legend
  • Increasing populatity of Smothering Starfish
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@SrotieMcB, could you examine this deck and tell me what I should switch out for these tech cards? Namely Smothering Starfish.

Summary

Mech Mage

Class: Mage

Format: Standard

Year of the Hydra

2x (1) Click-Clocker

2x (1) Irondeep Trogg

2x (2) Amalgam of the Deep

2x (2) Annoy-o-Tron

2x (2) Deeprun Engineer

2x (2) Security Automaton

2x (2) Trench Surveyor

2x (3) Azsharan Sweeper

1x (3) Brann Bronzebeard

2x (3) Frostweave Dungeoneer

2x (3) Gorillabot A-3

2x (3) Mecha-Shark

2x (3) Seafloor Gateway

1x (4) Blademaster Okani

1x (5) Ini Stormcoil

2x (6) Mothership

1x (8) Gaia, the Techtonic

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To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone

Whatcha think?

Edit: Sorry to, like, put you on the spot. It’s only that I have a high regard for your skill and knowledge of the game.

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Blademaster Okani is just as good. Hard mull for it against Priests.

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Low win rate and not many people are playing it anymore. With a low win rate, it’s amusement value waned off rather quickly. There are still a few out there, but not that many. There is a competitive Priest deck out there that uses Switcheroo (but not the Fin Twin / Deathwing combo), and it wouldn’t be a good decision to nerf that deck.

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I don’t play wild mode. How big an issue is Switcheroo there? I believe that mode should also be considered.

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Absolutely, and this is the primary reason Switcheroo shouldn’t be nerfed. Shellfish Priest really shouldn’t be hit by splash damage.

Well, I don’t know if I’d call Tier 4 “competitive.” But it’s kinda high Tier 4 and Priest should have something that isn’t a complete meme.

It’s not really that low in Diamond 4-1. Over the last week, 52.23%. Over the past 3 days, 51.29%. Over the past 24 hours, 51.38% (small sample size though).

The format has a 1 Mana 1/1 Charge, a 20/20 minion that’s very difficult to un-dormant, and a 3 Mana Priest spell that copies a minion and sets the copy’s Health to 1.

I’m suggesting banning the 20/20. With that out of the format, biggest available is 12/12.