This forum never changes. Mage is a dumpster class yet again, but it is practically the only class being complained about in forums.
Just for the sake of parity and counterpoint, lets examine some things that are ok for other classes, but not mage.
Hunter can play Intrepid Intiate on turn one and boost it +2/3 on turn two and another +2/2 on turn three with both immune and summon,
but a 1/3 Mana Wyrm is too good for Mage.
Demon Hunter can use three mana for five damage and lifesteal on turn three, but but freeze is too good and should not exist for Mage.
Druid can ramp up and shut down your board and your mana by turn six or maybe sooner, but Incanters flow is too good and so is RSW.
Warrior can trade a four mana weapon that gets boosted with every trade, and can be specifically tutored with raid the docks, all the while killing you with passive damage that the opponent does nothing to generate, but Ignite is too good for Mage and feels bad to lose to.
Those are only a few of the comparisons I could make, but I trust everyone sees my point.
I don’t enjoy Quest mage. I don’t like playing it, and I don’t like facing it.
However; I am also keenly aware that in order for a spell based deck to win at all in this meta, it has to be what it is.
And even that’s too good… The deck is practically dead and it still gets complained about.
Like I said: This form never changes.
Anything Mage has that wins at all is too good.
A few years ago it was druid, in between priest and don’t forget warlock. But yes: complaints never change.
One card is neutral and came with scholomance and the other is a classic mage card, that was nerfed long ago. But ok.
Could you please try to compare spells that have remotely the same effect? Thank you.
See above: but also: druids class identification is ramp. But alright
I also don’t like to lose against warrior, but why would I like to lose against mage?
Actually no, but glad we talked about it.
Tickatus and priest understand you too well.
Absolutely.
Haven’t you made this post 200 times already??
That does not change the fact that hunter can make use of the play in Standard. I see it every day.
The fact is that every single winning deck in HS is busted, and the only argument players are actually making is which deck is most busted.
When math fails they turn to “unfun” “uninteractive” etc.
Never mind that in order for Mage to win with a spell deck at all in this meta, it has to be able to out value, stall, and kill with boosted spells.
I havent seen the Ramming Mount or the +2/+3 card see ANY play so I dont know why your using this as your evidence
So because you haven’t that invalidates my evidence?
Right.
Can you tell me what decks play these cards so I can see the stats for them?
I did tell you. I face Hunters every day that play Intrepid, then Doggie Biscuit, then Ramming Mount.
But Mana Wyrm at 1/3 would just be way too good.
You are comparing the strongest things in the game with mage options. You can do it for any class, but lets do it other way around and compare mage with weaknesses of other classes…
Druid has 0 ways to use spells directly to face, why does mage get several cards able to do that?
Druid has 0 board clears, why does mage has so many ways to control it by freezes or removals?
Why does mage has Incanters flow to discount 25 mana and hunter has not a single card to do that?
Why can Mage draw his entire deck in less than 10 turns and shaman or hunter can at best end at 10-15 cards being still in the deck?
Why can mage go endless and no other class can?
Good points and if you ask me, they all have the same answer.
Because Mage has to win with spells.
It doesn’t have deathrattles.
It doesn’t have lifesteal.
It doesn’t have armor, other than one spell.
It doesn’t have taunts.
It doesn’t have minion buffs. or minion cost reductions.
So for every thing that you have shown that Mage does have I can show something that it doesn’t have.
Like I said: The entire product is busted, and players trying to cherry pick one class and say it is more egregious than another is silly.
It doesn’t feel any better to lose to Celestial Druid than it does Mage.
It doesn’t feel any better to lose to Libram Pally than it does Mage.
Same with Pirate Warrior or Quest DH.
Face Hunter or Garrote Rogue.
Every class is overtuned and every class has ridiculous ways to win.
I fail to see any class that players can point to and say: “This feels fair”.
For several months it is about “how quest mage feels to play against” for most people.
Somehow you refuse to take this into account and keep dropping here statistics and defending mage by numbers and comparisons, when it is not about numbers and specific cards, but about how people feel about the game.
If you ever played dota, mage is similar to playing with/against techies. It is fun for 1 player and other 9 suffers, because one team plays 4x5 and the other one is extremely restricted.
It is like playing Warcraft 3 against tower rush, just trying to defend your base somehow.
It is like playing in CS the CS_assault map and the other team keeps camping around specific area with shotguns etc. You can counter it, but it feels terrible.
There are these things, that are considered unfun, which are hated by people and quest mage is similar thing to this. You just dont want to play the game.
I autoconceded maybe 100+games against mage past 2 months. This much I hate to face that deck.
Forum: odd hunter is uninteractive, pirate warrior is too strong, taunt druid nerf is not gonna change anything, anacondra shouldn’t discount below 1
Mallenroh: people only complain about mage
Again; it doesn’t “feel” any better for Mage players to lose to Pally, or Hunter, or Warrior, etc.
All of them feel just as inevitable with the right draw.
Sure.
And how people wanting to play mage would feel?
Sorry but even in that reveal yesterday they did literally reveal a card giving redundancy to incanters flow.
So they really plan to run Quest mage as the class main deck for even another year.
Thanks to people like you who never talk about that part of the problem or say that "you Just wait and our needs come First ".
The answer is:
No they don’t. The are together and one is severely affected by the other.
It doesn’t matter How much important you think your feelings are. As long as this isn’t adressed we can’t move on.
Forum: One post about Hunter, one post about Warrior, one post about Druid.
Mage? Three months worth of daily complaints or more, and I can show evidence of that same behavior for every single Mage deck, tier three or better, that has ever existed, and you know it.
Considering you dont care about my feelings, why sould I care about yours? 
as mentioned, techies, tower rush, camping etc - quest mage is for me in the same category, absolute toxicity. So I am sorry I dont really care as long as I dont have to face the deck.
and they finally nerfed the mage after 3 months.
But you will have to face the deck because that is what Mage has been given.
(And it’s all they have been given.)
That isn’t on Mage players and there is nothing wrong with Mages using spells to win.
It’s kind of the point.
They nerfed it more than once. Unsure why you don’t know that.
Players here should accept the fact that the entire game is overtuned, and there is no ladder deck that: “feels good” to lose to.
Because my adressing it. You are adress yours.
It’s that simple.
By adressing people not having a freaking other deck to play as mage we end this entire dillema.
It wil probably fade off alone due to being bad even among mage decks and If It doesn’t blizzard will not be nerfing the entire class out of the game If they nuke the deck.
Sometimes we need to stop rant like crazy and hear everyone instead of treat people like enemies like you and some other posters here do.
While i disagree with people a lot and tell somethings people not like i really not treat people as enemies due to opnion divergence and would love If everyone did the same.
That or we can nerf It even again and see for the first time a tier 5 deck having more than 10% playrate. It would be funny i guess.
They want us all playing a thirty
percent win deck like ping mage.
That would put us in Our proper place.