Reaching High Legend is Easy. Right?

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(If I am missing anything, please, correct where I am wrong here. Also, please note that this topic is not meant to have a negative tone whatsoever. Please don’t read that type of tone into what I am saying. This topic was created genuinely. My intent is definitely not to upset anyone.)

Here are a myriad of low ranked players that enjoy to blame their lack of success on RNG in this game without skill.

Why does it correlate that these lowly ranked players never seem to be high ranked? Because skill is involved (depending on class and deck). Look at the discrepancies between high legend and the fact that statistics prove various deck and classes perform better as you look at higher and higher ranked players. Evidence skill plays a major role.

I play more than the average player and despite that, have never reached legend. Meanwhile, others acquire this rank and beyond because their skill level justifies it.

If you are hardstuck it’s a you problem: lack of knowledge, lack in proficiency in mathematics, and general ignorance of the meta.

In short, skill is alive and well and is demonstrably proven to exist considering what I wrote above.

It’s okay to admit you aren’t the best player in the world. Try your best to realize this and (watching replays) to increase the optimal plays you will make.

Topic inspired by the crows that are unsurprisingly low in rank that prefer to use blame RNG and lack of Hearthstone skill to justify their poor performance.

To all naysayers that cannot climb: LEARN. Get to the point that you are able to (typically) know your opponent’s plays before they go off. Additionally, work on your mathematical proficiency.

Stop blaming outside forces for your failure. Look inside and watch replays to see that you could have made better decisions.

I’ll end this with an anecdote. I am now D10. I play this game more than is healthy. If it were merely a matter of playtime, I’d be number one legend. I am not. I wonder why that is, hmm? And to turn that question towards you, why are you not in high legend? According to many players, reaching legend is a freebie. It is not.

Edit: Something else worth considering is the fact that as one looks at the statistics while looking through the earliest ranks to the highest, that skill ceiling makes its appearance.

Edit: Due to confusion, I must add that indeed time investment is also very important. My main point is that time investment is not the sole reason for climbing.

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Well said. We’re in the same boat. I’ve been playing for years and never got legend…and I’m a decent player. Just not great.
I can usually get to D3 and I start maxing out there. I think diamond is a great rank. I used to dream of getting it when I was a gold guy.
Now I’ve improved and can hit D5 every season.
One day, I will get to legend I think.

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That’s the point, too. I play so much that if it were only a matter of time and less about skill, I’d be high legend. Clearly, this implies skill exists. Players that complain about the lack of skill are the ones consistently losing that would rather blame RNG than their own incompetence.

And realizing one’s own incompetence and errors is useful to becoming a better player. If you refuse to admit that skill is involved, and that you lack that skill you’re quite simply wrong. All CCGs require thought and skill – some more than others (MTGA), however, this doesn’t mean skill is irrelevant.

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I have 3 main points.

  1. topic questions reaching HIGH legend. An inappropriate reference to the content where focus mainly on reaching legend.

  2. a over simplified outlook of people reaching legend and those don’t.

  3. what is stopping OP from reaching legend?

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For me, as OP, it’s my lack of skill, most definitely. I’m also not very proficient at math, which adds to my difficulty winning. My point mostly is that (as so many salty players state) if that I’d be very high legend if skill were irrelevant and if time investment is all that is required.

I really should also reiterate that as one climbs in rank, the gap between performance from low ranks compared to high ranks clearly demonstrates skill is relevant, Now, I’m not saying thus us Magic the Gathering (more skill intensive), it doesn’t negate the fact that skill very much matters.

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Because you state that you spend insane amount of time on this game, why not make a serious attempt at Legend.

From it, you can have a clearer picture of the process.

For the salty players you refer to, you need to understand more of thier background. Players that reach legend can have the same complain as those that did not reach.

If there is no clarity within a thread, there cannot be fruitful discussion.

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Forgive me. What would you like clarified? I don’t follow, sorry.

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Not always about skill itself.

Many people lack the mindset to do it.

Something people around here lacks to understand is that compete is also a form of having fun.

Lack that concept ends with you making things like self sabotaging and deny your own imperfection.

Those are important to actually get better and get the know how on how to climb.

Hearthstone legend rank isn’t a really dificult achievment and i can proof in a objective way(literal math).

But if you’re the type of person that cares more about what the opponent plays than what you’re doing yourself then you probably never get there.

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That’s a fair point. From my days as a control player, I tend to mistakenly focus on being reactive intstead of proactive. Totally on me.

Let me put forth an example to better illustrate what I’m talking about. For instance, at lower ranks, (pre-patch) the overall performance of decks increases as you climb ladder (unless we;'re talking more about things like Quest Warrior). The only thing this suggests is skill variance among players.

Thank you, @minami. I’ll take this advice to heart.

For some reason I’m reminded of a Shawshank Redemption.

Geology is the study of pressure and time. That’s all it really takes, pressure and time. If you lack that pressure, the amount of time spent is essentially irrelevant (like in my case). And by ‘pressure’ I mean skill.

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You probably started this thread off another discussion offline. There is a lot of missing contents and ideas not gel.

e.g. reaching High legend vs legend is a very separate discussion.

People reaching legend can be by choice and circumstances. Again, a separate discussion.

The main “feel” of the thread seems to revolve around the importance of skill. Yet, it did not focus on which aspect of skill, rather on players complaining.

Rereading the topic and contents, the conflict is too obvious.

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When I think of skill in CCGs, I think of a few things. Knowledge of the card pool, knowledge of your opponent’s deck, being mathematically sound, and knowing how to properly mulligan (a skill I am still very much working on). And lastly, being able to predict what your opponent’s next likely move will be.

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Please don’t summon Bee.

You know he thrives on this kind of stuff.

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That’s okay – sometimes be makes valid points in between his condescension. :wink:

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so, what is the purpose of this thread?

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My intent is to disprove the common thinking that Hearthstone is necessarily a game without skill. While I realize this game is rather simple (compared to, say, MTGA), I certainly believe it still requires skill.

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It’s narcissistic fluff.

He literally spends post after post putting people down.

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Yeah… Whatever makes him feel better. He can express whatever he likes as long as it’s covered by the CoC. The same way I am able to express my thoughts here in this thread. And again, from time to time he does make some valid points, ya know? You just need to read past the negativity.

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That’s really not a healthy outlook.

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Well, I don’t mean to say that I appreciate what he has to say most of the time, and we’ve gotten into arguments before with one another. Alas, I am not a hall monitor and cannot control what others wish to say. :grin: As long as it falls within the parameters of the forum CoC, there’s nothing else we can do but to try and disprove his thinking.

I’d like to stop mentioning this user explicitly out of fear of punishment. Let’s just leave it at that.

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  1. So where is that based off?
  2. How did the thread facilitates the disapproval?
  3. Was the thread direction and focus inline to facilitate discussion(if intended)