Rate how much you agree with this statement

Please rate how much you agree with these two statements (strongly agree, agree, neutral, disagree, strongly disagree):

  1. When I win a game of Hearthstone in standard, I typically feel like I scammed the win.

  2. When I lose a game of Hearthstone in standard, I typically feel like my opponent scammed the win from me.

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1 :yes when i win i feel i have scamed the game , and i refuse to plays scam decks , so i end up losing in front of scam decks .

2 : yes my opponent scamed me so hard with the scam deck that are actually in the meta , and i just want to quit the game because nothing prevent them for killing me turn 5 with pure scam , i play a non scam deck so my direction is > out of the game because i will not win a single match and second reason i play aggro and my winrate is miserable , if i want to win i need to play DK and morbid explosion (yeah you know the only aoe in the game that kills all minions there is none other than that in the game and it is a dk spell (which i refuse to play because this class is overpowered till it is out ) .

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Probably should be more specific about what’s considered ‘scamming’. Decks like murloc paladin and Dorian warlock, definitely scam decks, but calling something like aggro paladin a scam deck? Iffy at best, it’s a fast deck, doesn’t mean it’s scammy

Considering “scam” is not a card game term I use, neither statement is ever true.

Now, in the spirit of MaldHound, I prefer to refer to such things as “committing crimes”.

I’m just assuming he means mana cheating. If you didn’t pay the full mana cost to play a card, you’re committing a crime.

Strongly disagree with both statements, but strongly agree with the 3rd one:

  1. I have lost all feelings related to winning or losing in this game because I’m chronically dissatisfied with the meta to the point where I can’t allow myself for the outcome to impact my emotional state at all.

But, if you’re interested in general, I can conjure up an image of how I felt in those situations when I was on top and happy with the game:

Disagree → sometimes it happens, and I enjoy it, because it means it was literally luck of the draw that won the game. I mean, you can say that for ANY game, but when you really have such a feeling, it means you really highrolled/scammed the win

Between Agree and Strongly agree xD I would circle out the Strongly agree, but there are notable exceptions.

If I lose in top 100, you bet I got scammed, that’s the only way to win or lose in top 100

But when I lose to Pocket Train, I feel humbled and humiliated. The difference in skills becomes quite apparent. I can backtrack his decisions and learn something from that game. It’s such a pity it doesn’t happen more often.

EDIT: what you’re doing is basically trying to prove for the nth time what has already been proven in psychology but I forgot the name of the effect.

It’s an effect where everyone thinks they’re more competent than average guy, which is paradoxical, because average is average because most people are average.

Is that Dunning-Krueger? I think not exactly, but maybe so. If not, it’s strongly related to it, anyway. When you learn so many effects as I did, you simply have to forget what they’re called to make space for more effects.

EDIT 2: I know that’s not what you’re trying to do, but that’s what you’re doing nonetheless xDDDDDD

How exactly is a world with so much tutoring and stuff like that “scamming” you?

When i see that word being used i can’t help but feel like i dealing with someone with cognitive issues.

I not trying to insult people or anything. I Just think that you are not being “scammed” if you did see it coming miles away.

And this statement is coming from a degenerate who plays Quest mage to legend and can show you what real scam look like as summoning a board Full of random naga on turn 3.

As for the solution for your situation.
Hate It ALL you want but It is disruption and ONLY disruption that will change this situation.

If you or any people not satisfied with that are against disruption then there is nothing for you regardless of how “you feel bad”.

If you play an aggro deck and 5 turns in a row opponent has the best possible answer to your threats, knowing how unlikely that is, it sure does feel like a scam

I could probably think of additional examples, but I don’t have to. If they exist for aggro, they exist for every archetype

And ofc, there’s the type of scamming you mentioned yourself. Unforeseeable circumstances. That’s not even worth stating, it’s auto-include.

How do you feel about Rogues prepping the 2-mana shadowstep on turn 2? That’s a 4-mana net-gain on turn 2, and you know how much more 1 point of mana is worth on turn 2 than it is on any later turn.

Plenty of scams. It’s incredible how close-minded you are sometimes compared to how I usually see you

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Sure but to get “consistently scammed” as he is almost claiming.
We are more talking about the Win conditions in the game than very specific situations with incredible low odds.

This is why my answer was that.

Well I agreed to that feeling when I was playing in top ranks. At that point, due to skill difference between you and your opponent being negligible, every game feels like a scam

I mean, that’s related to how MMR system works, rather than the game state, but still

I can see how people of more or less the same skill playing looks like something decided by luck.

But for that there is only one solution that i can guarantee that works.

Sometimes you need to get out of the matchmaking and play against people of a different skill range be It better or worse than you.

That because the matchmaking can act like a bubble and not let you see your progress sometimes due to not having someone different enough to compare with.

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Yes, I literally recommended that to a guy complaining in another thread about the algo xDD And in this thread I copy-pasted a part of it.

It does make one feel humbler after the game, if they’re being objective about how the game went

That’s why I’m placing the blame on that feeling on the MMR system, not the game state

With that being said, the game state can make it even worse. Scorpid Excavate Rogue comes to mind

I think It is slighty worse than that.

The mmr system not helps but How exactly blizzard incentivizes people to do stuff like heroic brawls for example?

Not only that but when was the last time blizzard really tried to offer to the community tips on how to improve on the game ?

When the people come here talking about not wanting to do some form of content to get rewards.
They should have been ignored.

Otherwise you create this.

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And how would they know? xDD

here’s a summary of my last game in the first two turns:
me: sorcerer’s gambit quest (as mage), done
him/her: coin innervate innervate astral communion hero power my face done
me: ok lol umm (i can’t even remember what i did if anything this turn)
him/her: fyrakk casts fireball,firelands portal, other bs to my face
me: play counterspell pass

anyways i died horribly like turn four what a fun game err murder that was

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They have experienced players between then.

It would be not as bad as you’re painting as long as It don’t get filtered by the marketing dept.

Sounds to me you got lucky, should have been dead turn 3 :sweat_smile: :rofl: :joy: :grimacing: :innocent:

Do they? I’m aware of their relationships with streamers, but that relationship isn’t:

  • free-flowing
  • based on mutual good feelings
  • back-and-forth communication

It’s more like Blizzard sends an e-mail out blackmailing them into doing something for them

But yeah, the lack of such tips is surprising. I’ve never thought about it before, but EVERY game has tips on how to improve available somewhere visible, like in loading screens or home screen of the game

Let’s be fair.

If the tip was a literal :

We recommend you to play cards starting from turn 1.(Really obvious and not helpful at all but atleast true).

It would already help a lot with the community situation overall.
People get some expectations so out of reality that get some stuff here and there from blizzard itself would be enough to make then not so delusional.

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And it would be really funny :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

that type of hints, very obvious to the point of being funny, but helpful to beginners, is the exact kind of tips LoL gives in loading screen for game start xD

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for the original poster : don’t worry this forum is full of blizzard fan that will defend the game even if you hostage them .

Disagree, and agree.

I don’t play decks like loh druid, and other people do a lot these days.

To further clarify: a scam deck is one where you play solitaire.