My god, in BG and the minion that spits his health onto other minions triggers 8 times becuz golden and rivendare on board and macaw attacked first triggering. First 7 in a row all went to the 1 attack riverdare. Basically, the ONLY way possible for the opponent to win. Doing the odds on this occurance is easy as it is based on the totl options the ability had to target. Odds were 1:40,000.(5x5x5x5x4x4x4). Now, I guess I can believe that I randomly got a 1:40,0000 odds combination, but I find it very unlikely, especially since it was the exact combination needed to make lose. 1 more +80 health on ANY of my other minions woulda been an easy win. If the game is random… it’s evil.
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The probability of it hitting Rivendare 7 times in a row is the exact same probability of doing 7 hits going in any other specific order.
If it had hit minion 2, 3, 2, 4, 5, 2, 3 you wouldn’t have complained because you wouldn’t have seen a pattern but because it hit 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7, 7 you are complaining because you saw a pattern. In reality, that 7,7,7,7,7,7,7 had the same chance of happening as that 2,3,2,4,5,2,3
Every single time it goes off 7 times, it’s a 40,000 chance to occur the way it occurs, assuming your 40,000 odds are correct.
I once had 7 Ragnaros’ on the opponent side all hit me for face when I had a full board and kill me when I had lethal next turn. It happens. I’ve never seen it happen again. I’ve never seen a clear indication that it’s not random. And any attempt to prove it’s not random have always, always failed.
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sorry, but you’re wrong. With you’re mentality the lottery has just as much chance of drawing in the order 1,2,3,4,5,6. To say the odds are the same for sequential number and random is ridiculous.
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Yes, precisely. You’ve got it now!
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Yes, it has. Any given number sequence in the lottery is equally likely and equally random
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I wasn’t going to tell you, but I see others have already done it, mate.
In random numbers, ANY sequence is as likely as the next sequence. The odds don’t change for any sequence of a given length.
Further, if you run enought trials, you will in time get to witness EVERY possible combination at some point.
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Then it’s evil. As are all in this genre.
Yes. It actually does.
I actually find it quite amusing that you weren’t aware of this and it’s coming to you as some shocking news.
It’s not ridiculous. It’s 100% factual.
Classic miscommunication above i guess.
For a specific series of sequential numbers and a specific sequence of “random” numbers the odds are the same.
But if you look at the odds for ANY series of sequential numbers and the odds for ANY sequence of random numbers to apear. Then the odds that you will see a “random” sequence of numbers is far higher.
The sequential series is only 1,2,3,4,5,6 and if you want maybe 6,5,4,3,2,1. Thats only 2 out of all possible outcomes that give a sequential series.
The amount of “random” series (any serie that is not sequential in this case) is far larger.
That doesnt mean you wont see a sequential series now and then,just that it happens very rarely.
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Correct, but I don’t think anyone is doing a great job of articulating here.
Given seven pulls and seven possibilities per pull, there are seven different ways to get all the same number: 1111111, 2222222, … 7777777. But there are only two ways to get sequential numbers: 1234567 and 7654321. Any one of those two is just as likely as any one of those seven, but as overall classes the seven are 3.5 times as likely as the two.
And there are 5040 ways to pull each number exactly once, but not necessarily sequentially. So if you don’t care about order, hitting each once is 720 times more likely than pulling a single number seven times in a row.
There’s multiple people that have won the lottery multiple times.
There’s other people who have been struck by lightning multiple times.
Remember that. You can be that unlucky person. There’s a statistical term for such people, outliers. Don’t let anyone in this forum tell you that you aren’t, they don’t know that.
This game just kicks me in the privates constantly. I am one of those people. I play the deck X, change decks and face deck X, and what do you know, those outcomes I died waiting for happen multiple times against me.
It’s a slot machine. And slot machines are evil.
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I seriously believe this format is not random. I’m a 49yo lifelong gamer and what I see in this format just doesn’t feel random at all. I’ve never seen a game seem to do everything it can to screw over a player. I just got an early golden Nomi with an extra Nomi. And for the next 20 refreshes I saw like 2 elementals. Was just beyond belief. Only 1 other person in the whole run using elementals, yet it refuses to give me any. Random? Sure, technically ANYTHING can be random so they know you can’t prove anything. I see it go both ways. I’ve played people that shoulda totally beaten me, but the supposed random battle generator did everything possible to make sure they didn’t.
THEY are out to get you. 
You aren’t taking into account how many other players are in the lobby rolling and are getting the minions you want. You also aren’t factoring in the large combinations the pool has to offer while you advance to each level. There’s legitimate strategy in staying at a level looking for specific minions.
Below is a breakdown of the copies of each individual minion type per tier.
|1|15|
|2|15|
|3|13|
|4|11|
|5|9|
|6|7|
It’s important to also know that if you see an active player with a legitimate golden(IE: from 3 copies) that single slot card is holding 3 copies of that card from the pool. That’s one way in which you need to pay attention to player boards. Players may also just have copies of the minions you want because they are the best stats they could fine. Battlegrounds isn’t an all in from the beginning game. You must adapt and be flexible and be ready to switch when the time comes.
It’s not a straight forward mode as so many i think believe it is.
We know that the human interpretation of what random is vastly differs from what actual random looks like. In fact, you’ve already proven this earlier in this thread.
What you think random looks like and what reality is doesn’t match. As I stated in another thread, this is why major corporations had to change their true random algorithms to perceived random. Go look up why Shuffle on a playlist is not truly random. When it was truly random, people couldn’t accept it because it didn’t look random. When they changed it to look like it was random but not really, people started believing it was random when it wasn’t.
You just have a very rudimentary understanding of what random looks like and your years of gaming gives no experience on understanding.
And like I said, your earlier reply to my reply only proves that.
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Like i said before, it’s impossible to prove one way or the other. Yet, people like you are so sure. Funny how you can be so sure about something there is no way to verify. You can no better prove the game is random than I can prove it isn’t. Yet you sit there and PRESUME you are right. interesting.
You obviously haven’t seen my previous posts and stance on the whole random/ rigged argument. It also would seem you don’t understand how the burden of proof works. You’re the one making the positive claim it’s not random, so it’s up to you to prove it. I simply point out why anecdotal evidence doesn’t work and why your reasoning is flawed.
I have no evidence that shows the game isn’t random. That doesn’t mean that I’m stating the game is random, it just means I’m rejecting your claim that it’s not random because your scenarios are flawed in logic.
If you want to show it’s not random, it shouldn’t be hard at all to prove. You think the game rigs against you, go stream 5 games and predict everything (ie, I’m playing Nomi, so I’ll never see an elemental) and show us how your prediction is true. Why aren’t you doing that?
Prove it’s not random. Because all attempts, every single one, that have tried only ends up being more evidence that it is random.
Just to stir the pot a little, the developers have already proven they have the ability to skew the “randomness” of the RNG in favor of one player over another with the introduction of the ability to “occasionally give helpful refreshes” in BG.
Here’s random for ya. Turn 1 get the quest hero. Get the Felbat reward for summoning minions. Right off the bat, double weavers. Ok, got a lot of minions to summon so nice to have some bulk to get me by. Next turn, triple weaver… ok… looking great. Now all I need are some demons to bulk up my weaver and start setting up for felbat. Next 10x refreshes I don’t see a single demon… won’t even give any token generating minions to help quest. Ultimately knocked out early by someone who had a weenie poison to take out my weaver. This format will do such extreme unrandomness that it just becomes unbelievable.