Quest Rogue Anti Synergy

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I had watched Quest Rogue being played and inevitably they stole a kil’Jaeden and with Master Dusk drew into their win condition. They were playing up against a late game Starship Death Knight.

The Demons overcame the Lich.

Adaptive Amalgams have already made a presence in this deck archetype. They count as pirates, they work with The Curator, and are cheap activators.

Right now I am testing a deck that only has (technically) three minions: 2x Amalgam and 1x Kil’Jaeden. Dig for Treasure will nearly always give you coins or at least draw your win condition. I run two Cinderswords and two Barbed Thorns. Maybe a metal detector would be good. Of course, I am running two Raiding Parties and also two Pressure Points.

I am still trying to figure out this version of the deck.

However, I just realized an incredibly anti-synergistic mechanic. The spell Interrogation shuffles minions into your deck. That makes Dig for Treasure incapable of targeting your Adaptive Amalgams and Kil’Jaeden. So you don’t even want to run one of the base spells automatically designed to work with Master Dusk. It is faster, more consistent and gives higher value to cycle the Amalgams.

The 3/3 ninjas will not win you the game but help you hold the board until the demons arrive. I’ve been completing the quest around turn six.

Most crucially Kil’Jaeden counts as a shuffle activation. So you only need to shuffle each Amalgam twice to complete the quest.

The list has consistency with deploying hippos :hippopotamus: by relying on two Dig for Treasure, two Raiding Party, and two Cultist Maps. I recently took The Curator out.

The main conflict is that Dig for Treasure is going to target ninjas and not key minions. Counter-intuitively you don’t want spells like Interrogation. I have not tested Illusionary Greenwing to see if its summons count as minions and will be targeted by Dig for Treasure. I assume this would be the outcome.

Paladin’s imbued Emerald Portals on the other hand summon dragons and are spells—not minions.

Cast when drawn vs Summon when drawn

Should there be consistency in how shuffled minion cards are treated among classes? Interrogation is a spell card in contrast to Illusionary Greenwing. However Fal’dorei Strider’s (Rogue minion) battlecry shuffles three spells that cast when drawn and summon a 4/4 spider. That would mean Dig for Treasure cannot target those spiders.

Why does this contradiction exist with shuffled cards and summons? Particularly when Quest Rogue shuffles new (ninjas) minions into their deck and has specific cards to draw minions from their deck. However, the more ninjas you have the less valuable and effective your minion drawing spells are. Typically you want your better main minions: the ones you put in the deck yourself before the game started.

You would rather rely on the second trigger of Cultist Map to summon a ninja. The desired effect is similar to Paladin’s Dreamwarden.

Can our ninjas have a bit softer feet? They can sneak in from an ethereal cloud of smoke? That way we don’t bonk them on the head with a shovel? :ninja: 🪏

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Paladin portals are not minions. They couldn’t be because their final form depends on how much you’ve imbued when you draw them. Ninjas could be a spell that summons a ninja but that’s an extra unnecessary step. Old shuffle cards worked that way but since Titans if something is a minion it’s summoned when drawn.

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I wish Quest Rogue can be viable. Not so dominant that it needs to be nerfed, but viable enough to climb the ranks. It’s very fun playing Quest Rogue. But the meta is dominated by aggro decks so it’s literally the worst performing deck

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It definitely has the potential, it just doesn’t have enough to do the quest and have early board presence/management

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Not Patches The Pilot…

hearthstone wiki.gg/wiki/Patches_the_Pilot

Parachute is a spell that casts when drawn and summons a 1/1 pirate with charge. This Perils in Paradise card does not shuffle an actual minion into your deck.

So the Rogue Interrogation spell should not shuffle in ninja minions. It should shuffle something similar to a smoke cloud :ninja: :dash: or other ninja thematic thing into your deck that casts when drawn.

Call it “ninja vanish!” or “ninja appear!” or dubiously “The Unseen.”

This would have increased synergy with Cultist Map and improve Quest Rogue dynamics. Such as increasing the odds of drawing pirates with Dig for Treasure. As ninjas will draw and play themselves. You would never want to draw that with Dig for Treasure.

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then people couldn’t play lor’themar theron twice a game and make the ninjas 12/12 and own me and leave me trying to imitate them and failing and that would be sad lol.

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I just want an excuse to spend more than I already should on the Darkmoon Faire wheel to get the signature Ohpoo. I don’t want the pet. Even if I had the money.

I don’t like it. It moves too much. It’s distracting. I like clicking rapidly on things. I like my rock floating in the top right corner. I like my archery target in the bottom right. I like clicking on all the little daggers and hearing the spring noises. I like shooting off the lasers at the rocket :rocket: … squashing the watermelons and teleporting boots and onions.

I couldn’t care less about the dinosaur

:t_rex: :comet:

In League of Legends I will buy a skin on the chance that I will play a champion one time a year. There are some skins I have yet to use. Some default skins I absolutely despise. I would not be caught dead making a fashion statement in certain base skins.

I’ll go AFK

Regarding Ohpoo I don’t even like the art. I’m just a Rogue main and I want it. I’m an idiot. I’m a compulsive spender. The designed experience interacts significantly with the caliber of my mental health. That’s OK. I’m aware of it and I try to manage it as best I can.

I allow/afford myself to engage in unrecommended behavior like this. Everyone does something they wish they wouldn’t do as much. I buy cosmetics. Sometimes I buy cosmetics I never use. I just want them. This goes for makeup and other certain aesthetic products as well.

I like pretty things. I collect pretty things. I can’t help it. I already know I’m likely going to get the Master Dusk signature. Just go look at that card. It looks amazing. The base art for Master Dusk is good too. I really like it. No one should feel left out about not having the signature. I did get the Diamond Talgath (brother gifted it) so it would look gorgeous together.

Yes I understand the different synergies that you bring up. However, not even City Chief Esho would work since these minions do not belong to a tribe. Why aren’t Tortollans a tribe? There are Naga, Quilboar (only lore), and Totem. Changing ninjas to spells that cast when drawn improves the standard Rogue meta. Allowing a card like Dig for Treasure to specialize improves Rogue’s hallmark flexibility. Every card has a purpose and deck building affords adaptability compared to other classes.

This is why I continue to play Rogue. The other classes lean into static design. Most classes flexibility—not always—comes from discovered options and open-ended spell or minion generation rather than having single cards with varying utility and application across games. Or the deck has a completely direct path that you want to execute every single time.

For example, Starship Death knight wants you to get Soulbound Spires with reborn and immediately get a starship to 10 attack. If you can play the Exodar alongside an Orbital Moon on turn 8 the game is essentially over. You do not need the Exodar to win. The win condition is solely based on your Soulbound Spires and your starship being at 10 attack. This is all you care about this is all you do. There is nothing more to the deck. Nothing wrong with that I played this deck all the time and it’s very fun.

Rogue is a class that more often than not results in no two games being the same. Not based on the spells and cards that you generate—specifically disregarding Thief Rogue—but referring to how the same tools can lead to creative open-ended solutions. You will use your resources differently and find new combinations that make difficult problems for your opponent to solve. Allowing you to interact with your cards in a previously undiscovered way.

Of course there is a Tempo Rogue. Of course there is Faceroll Rogue and a Weapon Rogue. You can build straightforward and simple decks in any class. However, the class has more capacity for open-ended play and flexibility than others. This change to Interrogation would improve other class mechanics.

Does Lor’themar work with Kil’Jaeden? Because I think you just want to do the same thing then. You only add Theron to the deck I mentioned here. The ninjas are a bridge to your win condition.

When ninjas are spells you’re almost guaranteed to draw Theron before turn seven. Or you’re hitting the quest before turn seven and likely have Theron or Kil’Jaeden. In wild you’re gonna need that speed.

This is nowhere close to being refined and I am still testing it, but I’m also playing many other things right now. You can swap out Backstab, Twisted pack, Oh Manager and Barbed Thorn. Talgath is 100% acceptable, but based on my deck logic above I have not included it. Cindersword is one of the best cards in this meta to deal with Flutterwing Guardian. Rogue has very few efficient options to deal with this card. This is one reason Talgath is so strong (4-damage Backstabs).

As of now Lucky Comet is basically a dead card unless you are running a pure combo or weapon deck. The combo pool has increased and is now running less impactful minions. Before you were highly likely to choose from three cost minions: Bargain Bin Buccaneer, SI7 Agent, Talgath or Eredar Skulker. Any of those minions strongly impacted the early board and even late game helped reestablish control.

If you wanted to take the risk or if you had coin on turn two, you could use Preparation with Lucky Comet and likely play one of the minions. You can do this on turn one with coin hoping to get Eredar Skulker for a massive power play. This is no longer recommended. In the case of SI7 Agent, you could chain Lucky Comets to get 12 damage. Naturally Rogue can Shadowstep and Web of Deception the SI7 Agents for additional reach.

Now, if you are presented with your three options being Opu the Unseen, Nefeset Weaponsmith and Defias Ringleader you might as well concede. None of those options are going to be impactful enough in this meta. Unless your deck is centered around pure combo or weapons. However, the card is still strong and including a single copy is acceptable and worth the risk. If you take Lucky Comet, it may be worth considering to take Talgath. Since you can always use the combo buff on your Talgath and get two Backstabs guaranteed.

You can still discover all the same combo minions and Talgath off of Smoke Bomb. They will not double their combos, but they will have other very strong dark gift effects that are equally impactful. Note: discover Talgath or other combo minion from Smoke Bomb then trigger with single Lucky Comet rather than include Talgath minion.

Elusive or reborn Talgath is incredibly dangerous.

You hold Artanis and play them (plant-based organism) sometime during your kil’Jaeden timeline. Otherwise used for emergency survival. You can technically get two Templar from the Smoke Bombs.

2x (0) Backstab
2x (0) Preparation
2x (1) Adaptive Amalgam
2x (1) Cindersword
2x (1) Dig for Treasure
1x (1) Lie in Wait
1x (1) Twisted Pack
2x (2) Cultist Map
2x (2) Interrogation
2x (2) Oh, Manager!
2x (2) Smoke Bomb
2x (3) Barbed Thorn
2x (3) Pressure Points
2x (3) Raiding Party
2x (4) Dubious Purchase
1x (7) Kil’jaeden
1x (8) Artanis

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