Hi, quick question, are dk plagues suppose to shuffle your entire deck when they’re played ?
Cuz if they are then that is the stupidest most frustrating interaction I’ve ever experienced in this game so far holy crap.
Says shuffle, right on the card.
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Yeah, it shuffles the plagues into my deck, why’s it gotta shuffle my whole deck to do that? Just to destroy my order in the court ?
Because it’s how the keyword works and it is far older than order in court.
The only card that enter your deck but not shuffle it are the tradeable ones and that because of some serious bugs that were fixed by doing that change.
Yes, just look at it as a counter to order in the court. Counters are good for the game.
Anytime a card is put into your deck, it shuffles the deck, from my understanding.
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This is not unique to plagues. any card shuffled into your deck change the order, except tradeable cards. Also, shuffling more than one type of plagues in the deck deactivate reno type cards, like zephrys or reno jackson in wild.
Go play a paper card game. Use an effect that “shuffles” a card into the deck. Please, inform me how you would “shuffle” a card randomly into the deck without shuffling the entire deck.
What are you gonna do, place it on the bottom? Slide it in somewhere in the middle? That’s not random, you know exactly where it is going. The whole deck must be reshuffled to ensure it is actually random.
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A soon as a card, any card, is shuffled it reshuffles the deck. And resets dredges made.
Bomb warrior did this, hakkar did this when you drew a blood and many other situations do this.
Almost always.
Tradable doesn’t, for some reason.
I think its a bug but just keep 10 cards in your hand and play control and laugh while you purge your deck from them
They actually changed it so that it doesn’t. Specifically for the dredge interaction.
There’s really no reason for the plagues to shuffle the deck. It can just place them in the deck in a random order.
Even if it says it, Plagues shouldn’t shuffle the deck. Just my two cents.
Well if I’m playing Pokémon TCG with my GameShark on my Gameboy then I can do what I want!
To be fair, he probably thinks the plagues get shuffled and ONLY the plagues get shuffled.
But yes, the whole deck gets shuffled @OP
Likely an intentional design choice. It gives them utility outside of their upfront power.
I don’t understand why people say “It says ‘shuffle’ so it is obvious that it shuffles the whole deck just like in a physical card game. Duh !”
The whole point of a virtual game is to get rid of the physical constraint and create something that doesn’t exist in real life. It’s even easier informatically speaking when you shuffle a card in a deck to just put it in a random place and let the rest of the deck intact.
Since at no you could see where the card has been placed, there’s no reason to shuffle the whole deck if not stated.
Without any card game experience, this is the logical expectation and totally how they could have chosen
Before dredge was added, there’s only a few cards that were doing something with the top of your deck, and only a single card interacting with the bottom
The point of shuffling the deck alongside the card itself is so that you can disrupt deck manipulation. As you’ve pointed out, Blizzard has the ability to make it so that only the plagues are shuffled in and the rest of the deck otherwise stays in the same order.
So it’s pretty clear that Blizzard wants this to disrupt deck manipulation. It also future proofs the design choice in case other mechanics come along. It doesn’t really need to be changed because it’s only situationally useful which is OK.
I totally agree with the state of the game that’s not my point
I’m confused about people thinking this is an obvious behavior and players confused by that share 2 braincells
Especially when you know that tradeable cards, specific “at the top” and “at the bottom” cards do not shuffle the deck
Since there hasn’t been deck manipulation for ages in the game that’s not something they can claim has been here since beta
Blizzard has a lot of BKSS moments with card interactions (“because Konami said so”). Sometimes I feel like I know how certain things should interact, like when deathrattles should trigger based on other cards that operate one way, just to see another card that reads basically the same making deathrattles trigger in a different window.
Tradeable acting in this way just seems like a design choice they didn’t really feel like explaining when it came to the way they’re shuffled. Naturally there is going to be confusion.
This one seems a bit more explainable. Basically, the game temporarily removes those cards from the deck and places them back in. Functionally the same as excavate in YGO or Scry/ Surveil in MTG.
Today I learned that people think it is somehow possible to shuffle cards into a deck without shuffling or disturbing any other card in the deck.
One of the most absurd things I’ve heard of in a long time.
It’s like saying “Pick a completely random number between 1-00 but the number must be 3”.