My Brann effect is active.
Earlier turn my opponent played Zarog’s gets x2 Ragnaros, (plus the extra copy in his hand for later)
On my turn I play my Azerite Ox, get x2 Kologarn, I grab the Ragnaros’ they are now in my hand, KNOWING my mirror opponent has the ability to clear I do what I thought was a big brain play.
I play Golden Monkey… transforming the two stolen Ragnaros into two completely separate minions… 5000 IQ Play right? right? WRONG
He full clears next turn, as predicted. and the two minions that the Ragnari (Ragnaroses?) turned into, leave my hand and go to his… LE WHAT!?
Kologarn’s deathrattle clear states return the stolen minion to your hand, if those stolen minions no longer exist… how t f did that happen?
I was losing the match anyways but the transformed minions might have given me something to b.s. a win out, but that plan went out the window with this bug.
Doesn’t seem like an intended interaction to me. Have you posted this on the bug report page?
Let’s try a test.
Do a friend match, play Pozzik, have the friend play golden monkey and kill Pozzik.
If the two legendary minions get summoned, then it’d be consistent with Kologarn.
I like this example because Pozzik’s deathrattle works even if the bots are shuffled into the opponent’s deck.
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Is that a bug or how he’s suppose to function? If we’re just assuming then idk about that
i could see it being a bug or intended since while it’s no longer the minion he snatched up, it’s still the same token in hand, but like you said it’s technically a diff card now.
edit: for a quick example, if you use the aoe transform spell from shaman on your opponent, those are different minions now yes, but still belong to your opponent. Point being even though they were in your hand while transformed, they still belong to your opponent. All of that assuming it’s intended anyway. Wouldn’t hurt to post about it on the bug report page like Moon said just in case
Sounds like a bug to me. If it’s not a bug, then that’s an interesting interaction that can be used to do some crazy things.
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Looks intended to me. Transforming doesn’t mean it makes the cards change ownership. It’s still the opponent’s card it’s just not a Ragnaros anymore. If you hand buff cards stolen with Kologarn they don’t magically lose the hand buffs when the opponents get them back. It’s similar to that.
Pozzik isn’t a good example becasue Pozzik specifically mentions 3/3 bots. If they are no longer 3/3 bots they won’t summon. Kologarn just says the opponent get the cards still in your hand back and transforming the cards doesn’t mean they change form opponents cards to your cards.
They don’t have to be 3/3.
It tracks the card itself.
It tracks hand buffs but at the base the cards are 3/3 bots with +x/+y buffs added on but if they change from base 3/3 bot to some other minion they are no longer the base 3/3 bots the card specifically mentions it summons.
Sure, but the question here is whether it tracks the face of the card or the card itself.
Kologarn apparently tracks transformed cards despite the exact same text, which is why Pozzik should be tested.
I don’t see the point of arguing against testing.
Kologarn doesn’t care about the face of the card it only cards about who the original owner of the card was. Pozzik cares about the face of the card. It’s not the same text.
Pozzik
Battlecry: Add two 3/3 Bots to your opponent’s hand.
Deathrattle: Summon them for yourself.
Kologarn
Rush . Whenever this attacks a minion, put it in your hand.
Deathrattle: Move any in your hand to your opponent’s.
Pozzik cares that the base card stays as a 3/3 Bot
Kologarn doesn’t care what the cards transform into.
A card that Kologarn put from your opponent that changed into a whatever is still a card put into your hand from the opponent
A 3/3 bot changed into whatever is no longer a 3/3 bot.
No, I know for a fact that if you buff them over 3/3 you still summon them
A 3/3 bot with +X hand buffs is still a 3/3 bot. When you mouse over the minion the tool tip shows 3/3 bot base with + the list of X buffs it gained. When it randomly transforms into some other minion it no longer shows up as a 3/3 bot in its history.
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