Ok…let’s see if this one gets past every complaint and ban or flame from the community…
Yes I think the odds are heavily manipulated.
I’m not assuming all my wins are skill and losses only me getting screwed.
But I find it hard to believe I’m a god and make high platinum in a day and spend a month after that at a 10% wr at a level I don’t lose at until I just hit the wall. Then can’t win at a level i was crushing at. I want a fair experience without apparently pre decided wins OR losses. I’ve made legend but it doesn’t feel like a skill climb.
It also annoys me the concentration of decks I see when I use one of my decks vs another. Assuming it’s truly random I should then also assume I’d see an even distribution of what I face but this is skewed once I hit the “ok, enough” level.
I’ll netdeck, play the current hotness, whatever. This seems to creep in at a noticable point. Im likely on the older end of gamers in this and have played tcgs and tabletop games so I get changing metas, counters, etc but I can’t trust this game for more than a poop time waster.
The idea here is a discussion but it seems some prefer trolling or the aforementioned flaming. But what has been your experience?
Have you? Seems inconsistent with thinking that making almost-but-not-even-Diamond in a day is epic. Was it just the one time or something?
In general, the reason people start believing in the rigging conspiracy theory is that they develop the belief that they’re “gods” when they get a lucky winstreak, and then the later evidence that they’re not so great induces cognitive dissonance. You are not a god. You never were.
People who lose blame the game or conspiracy theories instead of themselves and their gameplay, and instead of getting better, they come here and complain the game is rigged against them despite never coming here to say the game is rigged in their favor.
Wrong. It very much is. Kudos to the high skill of this player to be able to reach such a high rank. Because of your own skill level giving you a bias to not be able to recognize an achievement that is very much applaudable doesnt mean that is the universally accepted truth or fact. You may not see it as something to be proud of, but you dont speak for the universe, or anyone else but yourself.
It seems many people missed the point of the im a god comment. It’s quite the opposite. No discussion just flame again. It was saying I do not think this and that it IS favored then not as an observation. Maybe using chess is not the BEST example but it’s the truest example of pure skill I can think of. I know this game even by my wish would have an element of RNG but it seems too correlated to a pattern to legend I see month after month after month.
I’d be happy to play anyone so they could see what I play, how I play, and how this would tie into my post. If I’m trash then it shows I got an unfair boost. If Im great then it shows maybe I’m held back.
Also I realized diamond is just before legend that’s what I mean just for the sake of accuracy.
man all i can say is that i coached a man to legend and i can’t get legend myself lol because i faced so many counters of my decks i was playing mage and rogue and i spended all the month not climbing . but the amount of legendaries (or big spells (point hunter with finger)) that can flip a game (and makes me lose instantltly ) is insane and maybe they need to tune down the powerlevel of the cards my friend .
man all i can tell is last time a typical game i had vs hunter he played hollow hound and healed back to 28 i was close to lethal with my mage i have reveb the hollow hound and i have come back to 28 hp then i woned the game that was hilarious of a bad printed card because i myself had tested it i recovered so much hp in one turn that this play makes me win instantly xd lol .
Two things I can say is thank you for an actual response lol. That and hollow hound ruins my day. If I choose to run mech mage forget it. I feel your pain.
The explanation is right here but you don’t get it (or don’t wanna get it).
You’re not as good as you think you’re. Up untill platinum you’re only facing people barely trying. As soon as the bare minimum of competition comes in, you seemingly buckle.
The answer is that you’re bad. You got lucky once, or played a very powerful deck and got carried to legend, but overall, bad.
This is not flaming, tho. It’s the simplest explanation for your case.
Edit: just saw you meant diamond instead of platinum. Sadly, same explanation, with the caveat that at diamond 5 specifically people are actually trying to climb, so you’re buckling to actually (relatively) good players. Good for you, you’re more or less average.
I’m not that great. But I’m not the point of the conversation. The point is this: if you lose consistently to a player or group of players, they are better than you. Period. Enough with the excuses. These forums are full of narcissists who continuously blame their failures on everything but the person who’s actually responsible — themselves.
There isn’t any accomplishment worth bragging about. Learn humility.
There is no brag or any comment on my assumption of skill. It’s simply that I noticed a shift in how the odds work and even working my way through diamond often I find that it will run a 60 or 70% win rate. Then I will begin to lose and for the next several weeks it can’t buy a win from players of the same level with the same decks and the same input that is me. I get you end up hitting a skill ceiling and if you consistently lose the opponent weather through skill, the deck, card draw, or whatever did better than you. I would assume though that over time playing the same decks and getting a sense of what are in those decks getting a sense of the tempo of the game, using your deck against that consistently over and over, and looking into the text themselves outside of the game to see what is most relevant would produce potentially better results rather than a consistent and noticeable win rate change.
I think people are missing that I’m not assuming I have the world’s biggest pipe and that I noticed a correlation that seemed peculiar.
What you need to do, is analyze whether or not you are losing the games because your opponent got “lucky”
ex. My Control Priest opponent got 2 of my Deathbornes through random generation to answer my own Deathbornes, and followed it up with 2 Copied Kel-Thuzad’s (Identity Theft) with 15+ Skeletons before i even got the chance to draw my own Kel’Thuzad, so in this situation i had no real way of winning even while playing “perfectly”.
OR because you actually misplaced throughout the game.
Maybe, you got confident playing against the lower ranks and that altered your game sense or focus in the game after climbing to a certain level.
I’m telling you this because i’m the guy that stops playing for the rest of the day after something like the first example happens against me (actual real example that happened against me today btw) and i know how it feels to think that you should be winning but you are actually losing.
Maybe some losses made you discouraged, and now you are misplaying unintentionally. While before you didn’t. Try to go again with a clear mind and be more focused, i’m sure that then you will start winning again.
Yes! Another constructive or applicable comment. This makes sense bc of the tournament mtg I’ve played. It’s hard balance and hard to quantify this as a definite. So in turn I have to look at general trends. Heck, I’d assume if just based on years of experience I’d be at like 51%-52% which I don’t think sets the world on fire considering the meta stats for the deck run at 60% (I get this encompasses low and high tier play). Just super odd I notice undue favor to go on a hard run early and just stop.
One thing that is definitely quantifiable is the deck opponent distribution. I switch, my opponent deck variety switches. I started using 50 game chunks to look at this. It seems it varies wildly in some cases; 30-40% from the previous decks visibility of the top couple of opponents. Maybe I should use larger samples but it is what it is and I see it.
Tl;Dr: lol an actual discussion post response. Best of “luck” to you haha