Yeahh… nope
Unfortanetly for you I do. That’s why i ask earlier on for the data I could use to proof or disprove my theorum. It would be extreem rare if your knowledge of statistics is at same level as mine. But when it is I congratulate you, my fellow mathematician.
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These kind of trolls is the reason I don’t post as much as Nostalgmus. Reasoning as civilized adults is unknow to them. You have proven that for honest people like me (not you) there is no place here.
Bye
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It was not meant as a insult but funny/perspective
You isnt funny you is only your pic a TROLL
I don’t even know why you people keep arguing about the fact that the matchmaking is rigged. They patented a freaking algorithm to “encourage” you to spend money, let alone the other devious stuff they do that we pretend we don’t know.
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I don’t know about anyone else, but I like things like “evidence” and “logic.”
An algorithm which wasn’t built around tweaking winrates, but around pairing people with paid cosmetics with people without to highlight how these elements look in-game. I am yet to see any evidence that the algorithm was tweaking gameplay features to improve sales.
Like what? This vague “everyone knows” conspiracy-lite nonsense is why people don’t buy into rigged matchmaking claims. They all start with limited data and poor reasoning, and as soon as that’s pointed out the argument moves to “Blizzard is EEEEEEVIL!” and assumes that because a corporation acts in crappy ways, Ockham’s Razor no longer applies.
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You are free to ignore the the so called “evidence” and whiteknight all you like, it doesn’t change the fact that 50% winrate is forced.
Yet, you are parroting the activision response to their patent claim and how it will rig the game to encourage losers to spend money. If you can’t 1+1, don’t ask me to teach you how to 2+2.
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after reading your posts it wouldnt surprise me to find out you are an antivaxxer
you sound like the type of person who could be one
Except, evidence shows some players having over 50% winrate. So where is this so called rigged algorithm/MM that is forcing them to have 50% winrate?
You may be new to HS forum, but what you, or others in this thread, are saying is not something new, nor insightful at all. It’s all been said and done gazillion times. None of them provided ‘evidence’ that suggests rigged MM, the ones that are not easily debunked/refuted like yours anyway. Note that you didn’t even provide data for your games in the first place. Let’s start with that, then you can admit it’s your end that’s the problem by looking at other players having over 50% winrate.
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Even if you have evidence, that forced 50% winrate is for a good purpose: to keep you playing. A huge winrate makes the player get bored with the game and a small winrate makes the player give up and quit the game. So, a 50% winrate is perfectly acceptable.
Well the OP is right when he says the data IS there. Blizzard has it. But would they ever provide it? Same with how many times Card X is in the front half of the deck or played on turn 1 and thereafter. And if they provided it would it be the actual data or some fabricated document?
Never in all your games have you ever wondered how is this even possible? Even watching streamers like Kripp or Disguisetoatst they ask HOW?! How is it every time this happens on turn 4? But they keep playing because they make a living off of it and they just accept the system and have all the means (cards) to work through it.
If I got paid to sit and make videos all day and and collect the data and visually show my findings - I know the same people here who say tinfoil! or your data shows nothing would say the same - so its pointless to take on such an intense labor endeavor.
Pretty much the same going onto forums and trying to address Blizzard and being left to chat with forum users back and forth to which the end result was…
just a waste of time.
REDDIT would be a better place to discuss. This is some reddit users post below.
[quote]Reading numbers from HS Replay and understanding the biases they introduce
Discussion
Hi All.
Recently I’ve been having discussion with some HS players about how a lot of players use HS replay data but few actually understand what they do. I wrote two short files explaining two important aspects: (1) how computing win rates in HS is not trivial given that HS replay and Vs do not observe all players (or a random sample of players) and (2) how HS replay throws away A LOT of data in their Meta analysis, affecting the win rates of common archetypes.
I believe anybody who uses HS Replay to make decisions (choose a ladder deck or prepare a tournament lineup) should understand these issues.
File 1: on computing win rates
File 2: HS replay and Meta Analysis
About me: I’m a casual HS player (I’ve been dumpster legend only 6-7 times) as I rarely play more than 100 games a month. I’ve won a Tavern Hero once, won an open tournament once, and did poorly at DH Atlanta last year. But my HS credentials are not what matters. What matters is that I have a PhD specializing in statistical theory, I am a full professor at a top university, and have published in top journals. That is to say, even though I wrote the files short and easy, I know the issues I’m raising well.
Disclaimer: I am not trying to attack HS replay. I simply think that HS players should have a better understanding of the data resources they get to enjoy.
I re-wrote the post to Competitive/HS as well: HERE[/quote]
If the people who argue that the matchmaker is rigged were as rigorous as the reddit post you quoted, they would probably be a lot more convincing. Of course, if people who argue that the matchmaker is rigged were as rigorous as the reddit post you quoted, they would realize pretty quickly that there’s little evidence for a rigged matchmaker beyond “it feels rigged.” Which isn’t really evidence at all.
For those interested, the quoted reddit post is here: https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveHS/comments/8ekl7h/reading_numbers_from_hs_replay_and_understanding/
Hi again,
I can’t say I’ve went into deep data collecting endorsements, all I can say is what I experience.
My experience is that since ROS is out, until the last week I actually had a great time and climbed to rank 6 with some win streaks.
Now that the meta is getting some initial level of consistency I’m getting forced once again into the 50% winrate scenario.
I’m now down to rank 8 from 6 because I wanted to try some Hakkar paladin decks and whatnot but I can’t move an inch from rank 8 - 5 stars. I’m switching between control warrior and midrange hunter and it’s 1 win 1 lose basically from 20 games.
I’m aware that 20 games is not considered too much of an intel but I can clearly distinguish that let’s say 8 days ago I can say I was matched against random decks, had many warrior vs warrior match ups, but now it’s again in a forceful way. I play warrior, it’s rogues most of the time and the rest is token druid.
I play hunter, it’s boom warrior most of the time.
I really hate this.
OP, this is how things go at Blizzard’s Hearthstone. If you’re a FTP player, you can’t climb over 20 rank (The shills will come and say otherwise but don’t listen to them for they’re paid to defend Blizzard) and so don’t try to climb the ladder once you reach rank 20 (which usually takes like 45 minutes to be reached from the bottom, btw…).
One more thing is Blizzard needs to fap the whales so they keep paying, so after every win you’ll face 5 whales at-least and you’ll be required to lose to them. So, you can either concede 5 times in a row and then play and win one and then repeat or rope, so they get bored but it’s a waste of time.
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Obviosuly BobsyDie is a shill, paid by Blizzard’s competitors to post negative things about Hearthstone.
The above is not true, or at least I have zero evidence. But neither does BobsyDie have any evidence of their statement. By posting that, they ensure that there can not be any real discussion, because they pre-emptively discredit anyone who does not agree with them.
I am frankly a bit fed up with the BS of those Blizzard haters who feel a need to accuse anyone not agreeing with them of being paid. It is almost as if they have no actual factual arguments and hence have no other option but to discredit their opponents.
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Why dont we swing this around and ask the question… . who here can prove to me that there isnt a rigged matchmaking except for they said? It not difficult to fill in the dots. Look at the bigger picture and see all those corners that were cut and holes left open(on purpose) and what this acttually means and then you just compare it to any individual aspect of HS. Imo if its possible then they are doing it and it is possible to asign micro fractions of percentage luck to individuals.
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Prove it isn’t isn’t an argument nor evidence. And burden of proof is on the accuser, not the other way around.
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Because you don’t go around proving the null hypothesis. You assume the null hypothesis is true, and develop a research process to be able to determine whether that assumption is appropriate given the evidence.
It’s research methods 101, people. It’s not that complicated.
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Op is 100% correct.
When i play combo decks i mostly see aggro decks
When i play aggro i mostly see control decks
When i play control i mostly see combo decks
This happens alot at rank 1 or 2.
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