https://www.vicioussyndicate.com/vs-data-reaper-report-277/
The whole thing can be summarized in one single phrase toward the end
Based on statistical evidence of certain play rate and win rate metrics, ‘Yogg-Saron, Unleashed’ is one of the strongest cards in Hearthstone’s history. It defines the format in ways that very few cards have done in the past.
Yeah, a 0 mana board clear is pretty busted. Yogg + Prison Breaker nullifies the one weakness that Druids and Rogues had.
Lmao the Druid balance patch is so delayed we got a VS report about it.
Not to mention the 0 mana mind control you get to drop as soon as the enemy tries to play a minion to gain board control.
It’s funny how Druid and Rogue always gets this amazing access to effects that fill in the class weakness.
Imagine if they gave Mage massive lifesteal and the best taunts in the game.
Imagine if they gave Priest the best draw in game and massive minion mana cheating.
Imagine if they gave Shaman the best armor gain in the game and the ability to draw through their entire deck in 6 turns.
Imagine if they gave Paladin the best board clearing abilities and single target removals in game.
This is what they’ve done with Druid. And they keep making the same mistake. This is why Kazakusan had to get changed. You can’t give these things to classes that mass mana cheat and mass drawing engines with the best armor in the game.
Can’t even get past the second sentence of analysis without my critical thinking kicking in.
Although Ramp Druid is growing in popularity throughout ladder, its overbearing presence is mostly contained at top legend.
No, it’s not more contained at top Legend. First off it’s THREE TIMES as popular as it is at Diamond 4-1. Also, Ramp Druid has a higher winrate in top Legend than in Diamond, despite it being much more difficult to get high winrates at top Legend.
I was going to ask if they have editors but apparently the answer is yes, as I was typing this I notice that the entire section I quoted from has been emergency removed. I guess that’s an improvement. But it’s still embarrassing that even briefly VS would include editorializing that is DIRECTLY contradicted by their own numbers.
Edit: LMAO they put it back unedited
VS is becoming decadent and allowing their quality to slip.
How they balance the game is funny. Oh, wait, they didn’t!
I kinda pointed out already some time ago(i think around a year ago). That VS in general isn’t even caring about data anymore.
It’s more like they look at data just to find a history than anything and their position is confortable enough that even if they did flat out misinterpret something on purpose the playerbase would massively support and blizzard would do as said anyway.
Hmm. I’ve been not giving a single damn about data the past month or so, but you’re telling me the VS report is just an interpretation of data? Like, yes, that report also supplies it’s numbers to cite, but the text is just some guy looking at that data and making a bunch of assumptions off that data?
Man I’m glad I don’t pay attention to this stuff anymore and just know what decks are actually broken by playing the game myself.
Yes did you instead expect the text to be about the weather?
Yes, it’s basically that.
There is numbers and the article are the impressions based on the numbers.
It’s not bad at all but people who treat that stuff as gospel are dumb.
You can get the same results from a variety of different ways in math.
It’s almost like VS is part of a feedback loop where they can only talk about what people are doing, so people only get analysis on what they were already doing, and then keep doing that because VS is perceived as omniscient. Rinse and repeat.
They aren’t even reporting data for DH and I cruised from D5 to Legend last week with Relic DH, with about an 80% winrate. Didn’t lose to a single Arcane Hunter or Paladin, who were my most common opponents. Won 2 of 3 against Ramp Druid on the climb. Went about 50/50 with Plague DK and crushed all other DKs. Won all but one game against Priest (of all kinds).
I’m glad the public opinion on VS is shifting, maybe we can have meta talks that don’t have the words “the data” plastered everywhere.
Sure…
The point here isn’t even the data itself but how you are reaching said results in the VS case.
“Always has been” meme goes here.
Also does a lazy job of compiling data that has low sample sizes. Even within the last year they’ve had segments of “this archetype has a small sample size but looks good.” They don’t do that anymore.
What? Whose point? Who is “you” here?
In that case you should be VS.
For decks getting higher winrate people can assume many things for example:
An overpowered deck,other players being incompetent, counters to the deck being too boring causing an all time low on their popularity and the winrate.
Numbers have an history that isn’t that easy to get.
You usually have to be playing and data on other stuff like decks popularity for example to really determine what is happening.
Then it turn into the one thing that we all have nightmares about. That one thing haunting every one of our collective waking moments. The one thing that pockmarks the land of Azeroth like a foul plague. Greed priest! 
Yes the situation is bad. But that doesn’t make your antiintellectualism of personalized anecdote any less of a cowardice. You don’t run from the data, you defend it!
Shaman 
Ugh, DH. That class got so many nerfs and I disenchanted so many (nerfed) cards from that class that I wrote it off as trash. Thing is, Jotun was one of my cards opened in packs, and I really wanted to make DH work again after seeing Jotun and Argus in action.
But that class is off everyone’s radar for no good reason outside of seeing it get nerfed like 10 patches in a row. It’s still super strong.
Exactly. If they can’t get 100 games of data then it doesn’t get a square on the matchup winrate table. Sigtyr might be right, it might be good, but 1) it’s not 80% winrate good and 2) more importantly no one has enough recent numbers to know for sure
It’s like Enrage Warrior (in terms of popularity), but somehow less popular despite being more fun with all the draw and scaling and mana cheat.
Outcast DH is probably kept down by Prison Breaker and Ricochet Shot/Star Power. Remember when it was basically Tier 0 except for Blood DK and Control Priest? Where are those counters now?
But then again, DH decks tend to be way harder to pilot than other classes, which might explain it. Why think when you can play the green card instead?