I don’t play with warlock but want the nerf too, I think 8/8 for 5-6 manas with rush, windfury and charge can’t be even frozen is way too much, it is insanely OP, broken out of the charts and make any card with real 8 cost manas a completely garbage in comparison.
Need to be nerfed to 9 manas, being a legendary and lost the demon tag, all at once.
That’s generally what a win con card does. If it does nothing to close out a game why would you put it into your deck unless you are willfully making it worse? Win con cards should be allowed to exist.
Many decks have their powerful cards played in the first few turns of the game which matters the most. Why exactly is it a problem when DH has a late game card that wins them the game? Should Jaraxxus be nerfed too because it’s how warlock wins their matches?
The problem is, that demon hunter doesn’t have many good cards like warlock if they nerf this he would be unplayable as a class, what would be his win condition then?
demon hunter has insane card draw, as well, but it’s stupid when your biggest minion gets killed, your face gets hit for 8, if you manage to kill the thing, it gets revived by N’zoth (or the 2nd copy gets play), you get hit in the face for 8 again and lose the match when you might’ve been able to make a come-back if you didn’t get hit for 16 in 2 turns. It feels like the odds are stacked against you. And, no, I’m not gonna jump on the bandwagon until it gets nerfed.
NERF THIS CARD PLEASE it’s unfair super unfair! there’s no card like that
To be fair, about 1 in 20 times as a DH you draw so badly, and the warlock so well, that you lose. In spite of that, I don’t think warlock should be nerfed.
Why NERF warlock? warlock is the worse class in the game lol what else could nerf ? better delete the class lol there’s almost nothing good about warlock just the hero power which gonna kill you specially with these decks nowadays believe me drawing cards is powerful but taking 2 damage for 1 card against these decks nowadays most of the time is not worth and the other good thing is TICKATUS that’s all he has nothing else warlock needs buff warlock has the worse win rate always always maybe the developers like DH and Shaman that’s why they are pretty strong now.
I hear you brother, but every class deserves their time in the sun. There will be a new card set in a couple of months, and in the meantime I don’t think that nerfing warlock is needed.
Yup, buffing warlock is needed. I’m sick of being tier zero.
That should be tier four right? Tier zero would be even better than tier one.
Where is the warlock the weakest class from?? He must be crying defeats in standard mode, but in wild mode, demon hunter is weaker than warlock!
“late game”
I mean sure, I guess when agro is common in this meta, and token druid, so games often are over by turn 5, you could consider turn 5 ‘late game’ …
What DH is playing II on turn 5 with a weapon? That is super highroll and most games it will be played on nine mana to ensure it attacks.
Sorry I’m talking for the real game, not the huge clownfiesta game mode of yours.
I usually face the first one on turn 7, but 5 and 6 are not all that uncommon, in my experience.
Please explain the “not all that uncommon” scenario where II is played on 5.
Well, from some point of view the huge clown fiesta is a game mode where everyone is playing the same 3 decks for few months over and over. Even if you’re blind you can tell what other guy will play turn after turn. Real game, that’s a good one. 
I was watching NoHandsGamer the other day on his way to number one with Doomhammer/elemental shaman, and there is certainly thought involved. It’s not nearly as brainless as you say. I’d be number one if play time was all that was necessary, should you try to pull that argument.
Wait I think I have it.
Weapon on 1
Anything on 2
Coin and raging felscreamer (discount next demon by 2) on 3
Raging felscreamer on 4, assuming this stacks
II on 5 and smash face.
Now… must have coin, so 50%
Chance to draw weapon on 1 is around 30%, with a hard mulligan you can get it up to 50%.
Let’s say you throw raging back, so your chance of drawing that too is about 21%. You then have two more opportunities to draw them both, roughly an 8% chance if you didn’t draw them already.
So the only thing left is to draw II. You’ve had 9 chances to draw it, but 6 really because you had draw the others. And the first 4 don’t count as you’d throw that giant puppy back in the mulligan. Let’s be super generous and split the diff and say you had 4 chances, 2 post mulligan and 2 during play (realistically you only have two for the scenario to work, but hey). All up around a 20% chance.
So 50%
x 50%
x 29%
X 20%
= 2%
= 1 in 50 games
*where DH is attempting this combo.
All guestimates rounded up in your favour.
well, aside of the op’s rant, the card is indeed rediculus. Let’s be honest, all of us had a hard time believing this card is a thing when we first read about it, and then we also couldn’t believe two of these things are alowed in a deck