Many people were afraid that warlocks deck burning concept gets too strong. I tested this concept, and so far, it did not shine for me.
As expected, Neeru fireblade does nothing in 9 games out of 10, just sits there as a dead weight. And when you play it, the opponent can still handle the imps for 2-3 turns which is often enough. Jarlaxx is far more better than Neeru, no need to empty your deck. He is enough as a finisher.
Altar of fire, as expected, you can’t cast it early or you can lose your key cards - like Jarlaxx. Or once, it burned 3 cards out of the 4 which get stronger when your deck is thin. Also I made a mistake there, crafted Tamsin so I can duplicate Altar of fire, but I can’t since it’s fire spell… some other key warlock cards, like cascading disaster is not shadow either. If you look for shadow spells, the priest have them, not the warlock
Some speculated that Tickatusing yourself is an option now. It isn’t. Barrens scavenger, Bristleback and Neeru together does not make it worth, you still better off Tickatusing your opponent.
I don’t say the Tickatus deck is not good - it’s still fun to play, Jarlaxx makes it definitely stronger with the old cards, but the Barrens burn section doesn’t seem to improve it
Yeah man, who would have thought burning your own deck was a bad archetype.
It’s almost like the same thing happened before but with your hand and also sucked.
To be fair, discard cards aren’t bad if you can choose what to discard
Pretty sure we’ll see more support on this Archetype for warlocks in the upcoming sets.
Atm I see Neeru as a backup wincon for mechthun lock in Wild. Altar can probebly be there as well. A option to inpact the potkelt plays should be good. Yeah risk burning mechthun at that point but there is always the backup of Neeru at that point.
Hey now, discolock managed to be OK during Rastakhan.
i opened every legendary and epic required for this garbage. Lucky me
Its not just neeru. Its neeru+ Jaraxxus + Rustix + Tickatus . So many wincon in this deck. Don’t just drop neeru, Drop rustix next turn and use grimoire on it, play Jaraxxus, go for it. Anyways, as soon as you hit one of your wincon + Rustix you can go the infinite value game.
I’m sure this deck is very strong, much stronger than you think.
From what I saw, auto-mill warlock is utter garbage, so I guess people will flood the forum with complaints asking for Neeru to be deleted.
Yes, the base of the deck (Tickatus, soul shards, corrupted cards, Jarlaxx) is strong. I just said Neru and altar didn’t make it stronger, quite the opposite… But maybe someone can make a real strong deck from them, we shall see.
Mill warlock has the best control in the game (the AoE for 4 mana and the minion that trigger once you have 10 card are sick) and the best late game as well . Just need a way to tie both together. From what I have seen the hardest part is closing game because it’s so board centric, so I feel you really need Jaraxxus or Primus to put a big pressure on the opponent.
Most of the time discard is completely random and screws you over more than it helps.
Yeah and among the cards who discard one or more fully random card from your hand, only 2 are good, and the rest is garbo.
But the targeted discard is good
As long as we don’t have cards with the mecanic "If this card is burnt, do something " I don’t think automill will be something.
Like discardlock, we had to have cards doing things when discarded (with good effects) to see the archetype played.
If you spend your mana doing nothing else that milling your deck, it’s really not good.
Only the AOE dealing 5 everywhere seems ok to me.
I’m 13-4 with the deck and it’s painfully obvious you do not play it correctly XD
but I’m contenr knowing it will not be meta; i’m grateful to be safe from nerfs this is a suitable successor to prime control for me!
I have to disagree, funny enough I ran into a control warlock with this burn deck. I did all the things you mentioned, I played Jaraxxus, Rustwix and he even Tickatus me which allowed me to play Neruu early. In the end he outvalued me and I died to fatigue, those imp boards were pretty easy for him to clear for 4-5 straight turns. As it turns out Control warlock is A LOT better, I played a few matches with it and it a felt so much better.
An important note is that between tick and altar and your own draw, you have the tools to force your opponenr to fatigue roughly at the same time you play Neeru. Infinite imps vs finite aoe? I love this deck
Of courae, I’ve been playing discolock since its inception, through the good and the bad. Iif you do not ENJOY the risk vs reward aspect of these decks, these are not the archetypes for you!
I’d say spot on. A discard deck is a gambling type deck. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve lost do to a doomguard being discarded on turn 1 or 2. It’s definitely a risk vs reward type deck.
Oh, absolutely! And just like discolock, one of the keys to piloting this deck is to NOT be afraid to burn your wincons
Oh, that’s not to say you should fling your altars and uncorrupted ticks out willy nilly; but you can’t be afraid of burning Neeru with a soul rend to take back the board, either! Neeru is a card you do WANT, but I’ve won games after burning him by shifting gears and going full tickatus control!
You havre three huge wincons to supplement Neeru: Jaraxxus, Rustwix and Tickatus/Y’shaarj. You can burn ANY of those and still win the game with another!
And altar- oh, this is a WONDERFULLY nuanced card! It’s not a card you WANT to play early, unless you have Neeru and are close to your 10card goal; actually, it can be used to CLOSE games! If you play your altars WITH neeru, you’re decimating the remainder of their deck without burning any of your own!
And then their are soul fragments! I use Jailer, Luckysoul, soul shear and school spirits, the latter two of which are often doubled up using Tansim. Actually, the MIRROR is one of the only times you want to Altar early; chuck as many fragments as you can into your deck, and Altar before they do the same!
I’d say this is a more consistent AND more effective deck than early discolock iterations! The risk is there- but you have so much healing, and so many ways to control the CIRCUMSTANCES of your burn piloting this deck that discolock- which can’t even play MINIONS without discarding- never had!
Fully willing to admit that this is a deck that will take a certain kind of crazy to climb with, but I’m convinced it’s possible at least into diamond
And of course there’s no telling what support we may get from miniset/future expansions
Maybe you’re right. Just a few suggestion though
Maybe you should have tickatused him Imo. also keep rustix and kanrethrax for infinite value loop (no fatigue dmg) and keep at least one twisted nether for the big swing turn with Y’shaarj. He has no board outside of Tickatus, Y shaarj and soul fragment minion doesn’t he? And malicia. So if you clear Tickatus, Malicia and Y shaarj swing turn, he has nothing left.
This won’t work with Neeru, as you’ll just ressurrect boards of imps(or jaraxxus infernals) unless you’re really, REALLY lucky which probably won’t happen more than once in a blue moon