Now that things have been out for a bit, I can see a few things getting the nerf bat and some things getting buffed.
Nerfs:
Ethereal Oracle - This is the best card in the set. Period. The amount of consistency and damage it enables is absurd. It is an SSS tier card in its current state. I can see it moving to 4 mana.
Something in Mage - I would say making it so Overflow Surger only summons for each elemental summoned during the lprevious turn would be fair.
Bolide Behemoth - I would like to see this moved up 1 mana or its Battlecry turned into an Deathrattle. As it stands, Shaman can shuffle way too many Asteroids in while buffing them with too much ease.
Buffs I would Like to See:
Basically anything Starship related outside of DK and Druid. Draenei and librams. Put Crescendo back to 2 mana.
I would have to see things shake out before I thought anything else needed to be done. These nerfs would tone down the most powerful decks without outright killing them.
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This is enough to get my vote xDD
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Pls don’t nerf ethereal oracle it’s my favorite card from the set
It is way overpowered. It eclipses every other card in the set and enables decks like Quasar Rogue and Asteroid Shaman to be far too consistent.
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Just nerf quasar rogue and the supporting cards for shaman instead problem solved, I could see there will be some kind of new archetypes being born out of nowhere if quasar getting nerfed using ethereal oracle as one of the key cards, maybe some new iteration of miracle rogue, or maybe some type of overheal priest or tempo spell mage and druid really needs ethereal oracle for their tempo spell/combo spell deck.
Tbh I don’t mind asteroid shaman at the current state, I think the deck is fair
With all respect.
We really gonna nerf the only thing that see play without outright making anyone want to punch the monitor from the New set?
I not against nerf etheral Oracle but It is probably not his time to Go yet.
Also…
Buff the draenei and not a little. It Will Far more fun and healthy for the game than the Starships without excluding 2/3 of the classes.
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The problem with Oracle is that it is what allows Rogue to consistently play its entire deck on turns 4-6. This is unhealthy to an extreme. It also creates insane value and consistency for one of the top decks, Shaman. The card would still be very good at 4 mana. It would just be less oppressive and slow things down a bit. The card is in the running for the best 3 drop ever printed.
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Asteroid Shaman is not that good of a deck. The face shaman and Nostalgia Shaman decks are both leaps better. Quasar Only needs changed because at some point next year it will just become a better deck. Currently it’s only good in top ranks played by specific players in a very specific meta.
What needs to be nerfed is all the extreme mana cheat. Start with BSM and work your way from there slowing down the decks that just end the games on turn 4-6. Buffs are the absolute last thing they should do. The power of the metas card selection should be around the same as the Starships are right now.
The reality is that they will just buff everything to be even faster and the game becomes more of a joke than it already is. They cannot hope to sustain the power creep they introduce in each set or cards they adjust to become utterly broken.
i saw a thread complaining aobut cards from the new expansion not being playable and now i jump to a thread suggesting to nerf one of the few playable cards…
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Just nerf quasar directly really.
We don’t need that deck to exist and maybe Just maybe we unnerf It when It goes to wild(probably not).
Asteroid Shaman might not be good but it is not fun to play against. My prediction is oracle gets hit along with something to tone down elemental mage. Maybe it’s surger, but I’m not sure what the best target is there.
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on VS they said quasar popularity is dropng so itmay avoid getting nerfed if its playrate keeps going down ( like it happened with tickatus deck losing popularity is what kept the card unnerfed )
It really does not matter.
Again you ignore the precedent and ignoring precedents always result in BS in the future using it as justification.
After all. If quasar rogue exist why not other turn 4 OTK ?
Just no and people should protest as long as it EXISTS.
And yes. That is his offense. Exist.
I have to agree… this card is a joke… without it, any of these nonsense OTK decks wouldn’t work…
What game are you even talking about? Why did I read the words Quasar and Asteroid?
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Quasar can go. I’ll gladly welcome the half a legendary worth of dust on a meme, higroll, inconsistent card but in exchange, I hope they really nerf mage to the ground and I mean destroy it to an unpleyable class.
Shaman is not a problem except for wave of nostalgia in my opinion
These seem poorly thought out if they were to happen. What fills the void is a bunch of mana cheat decks… pipsi, BSM, dungar/taunt druid, nostalgia shaman… I’m not sure if thats any better than whats already out there. Not to mention you’ll still end up getting OTKed by owl druid, even moreso than you ever would against asteroid shaman/quasar rogue.
If you ask me things are pretty balanced now as is… mabye not as fun as everyone wants but thats more to do with the early half of the years worth of poor design decisions hamstringing the game.
There was discussion about ethereal oracle earlier this morning on the vs discord actually. And the consensus is that it’s probably going to get nerfed at some point in its life span. Possibly sometime soon, but no way to know. It could be this patch, it could be a month, two months, or six months out. But it falls in the same class of card as every other neutral that got caught up in sweeping nerfs.
Neutral cards that are so good they become ubiquitous and get slotted into nearly every deck get hit. Period. We saw it with miracle salesman, celestial projectionist, Marin, Yogg, and Reno. And ethereal oracle is another card that just does a lot in every deck it’s played in. I don’t really want to see it nerfed. I like the card as it is. I’m perfectly ok with it, and I was very sad when celestial projectionalist was nerfed too. But it’s going to happen, there’s just no way to know when. The HS team is very consistent with the way it approaches neutral cards. So it’s a given conclusion that ethereal oracle is on borrowed time.
If starships get to be viable we gonna start drowning in armor and not a little.
In anything starships are to be that thing that if you let the opponent do you gonna lose because you not gonna have any reach.
Really just bring the draenei to the proper level and let things roll. In fact mass buff the tribe.
That would be a shame… because you can also probably say the same for the 100 mana card and eventually kil’jaden.
I think the problem is nerfs dont even matter anymore. You have one dominant otk deck in druid… mabye you can include the new ‘burn’ shaman in that but its not really an OTK. Then some fringe otk decks in asteroid/quasar.
Theres about 4 or 5 mana cheat decks
Elemental mage countering mana cheat
and then some DK / Warrior / starship Druid countering OTK / elemental mage through absurd armor/health gain.
You nerf elemental mage and some of the OTK decks and then you’re left with an outsized playrate of mana cheat decks. I’m not sure thats any better which means that theres really no point in nerfing at all when the end result is the same as where you were prior to the nerfs.