You cannot stop the inevitable
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I donāt really use HS replay so maybe I donāt understand what Iām seeing, but where is Blood DK? Everyone is saying Blood DK is OP and needs to be nerfed into the ground so why isnāt it showing up in an HS replay tier list?
I hope itās real because I love miracle and I am getting wrecked here with the things I try to run to counter the meta. Matchups are so polarized, either you run into whatever you are trying to target or you get totally smashed, itās a bit frustrating.
As we discussed in the other thread, this is largely contextual tho. I donāt think this is going to establish itself as a top meta deck, it is just countering the greedy decks at top 1000 legend (which is great because the greed is getting out of hand). Thereās little matchup information yet but it seems to have a negative matchup to relic DH and Frost DK; which is not a good sign for the deck, since these can easily be picked up again and weād be back at square 1. Time will tell I guess. Also note that the only new card this deck is running isā¦ Hipster 
(and Fizzle)
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But Schyla, it was low for a few days, so all the rogue doomsayers were wrong!
(By the way, does it show a list yet? Iām trying to finish off my rogue 1000)
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āWould you look at that!ā Itās almost like giving Rogue more bounces on top of shadow step and really powerful minions makes it so Miracle rogue is always meta.
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Hereās what comes up in HSReplay:
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Not yet, it only shows ācommon cardsā but not a full deck list
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Only in 1 deck, but the common or popular cards list contains new ones, including Bouncing Around and Breakdance. Still waiting for things to shift and settle.
I usually go with āaggro finds a wayā, but hey the tempo combo stuff for rogue works too.
Whatās the WRs on particular cards? Iām interested in breakdance
Hearthstone Topdecks has 2 Miracle Rogue lists posted from top 20 legend in the last 24 hours. It appears that one deck uses some new core cards (Cult Neophyte, Fan of Knives), Hipster and Fizzle while the other uses only Fan Of Knives as a new core card, Fizzle, and Hipster
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I am not sure because I havenāt seen this list being played by or against any of the big streamers, but I think that list is the one that is finding success actually. The HsReplay overview thing will show every card that has been often included in the archetype at any point.
It is basically good old miracle rogue but without drakka and just purely focused on early board to overwhelm the opponent (wide board clears donāt come online till turn 5). I donāt really see the point of Hipster tho. I guess itās just a 2 mana battlecry bounce target that comes in handy but seems whack. I will try this tho!
They arenāt playing at high legend.
The decks early on i was facing with Breakdance were really good. That card is an amazing play in rogue for a pitiful 1 mana.
And the Top Hearthstone Decks Legend deck lists donāt use āBounce Around Featuring Garonaā, Break Dance, or anything from Rogue in this expansion.
Thatās the problem with creating a false dichotomy.
- Rogueās new cards are OP, therefore Rogue is OP.
- Rogueās new cards are garbage, therefore Rogue is garbage.
Turns out there was a third option.
3. Rogueās new cards are garbage, but itās still OP after people stop trying to make the new cards work.
Therefore Zacho looks right in his assessment of Festival Rogue cards, while failing to imagine that Rogue would succeed by ditching them.
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So after 10 games I can confirm the deck is probably here to stay and that it is really good. Itās obviously a very small sample of games but I am 7-3 and I am just learning the deck (although I have hundreds of games behind me with miracle rogue builds).
The list I run does not run anything new other than Hipster, fan of knives and Fizzle. It is basicaly the old miracle list but slightly worse without Drakka. I feel it relies on 3 possible combos:
- For attrition matchups: try to generate wide boards early before wide removals come online, save shadowsteps for Astalor spam. Azshara colossals spam alternatively.
- For Pure Pala, remove the board while building up threats of your own, then smorc. Honestly I feel this destroys Pure Palas like flies.
- For other matchups or when you donāt draw this, there IS a new crazy thing that a new card enables for Rogue (here is where Schyla had a point, admittedly): our friend Fizzle. Turns out, Fizzle can be a crazy step target. Just imagine, you have a hand full of steps, cheap discounted cards or concoctions, astalor, azsharaās horn; you name it. You take a pic, shadowstep, another pic, shadowstep again from shadow of demise, another picā¦ you see how it goes. Then all of a sudden your Door of Shadows will draw a āFill up your hand with all your nutty miracle goodiesā. Beautiful stuff if you ask me. I will admit, I had not seen this interaction coming and It is amazing.
You are right, Schyla, Miracle rogue does find a way, it turns out.
yup, this is exactly it.
edit: Small update, I am rocking an absurd 82% WR (14-3). Havenāt lost a single game since I posted. 
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I kinda want to see what miracle rogue does. Unfortunately when I do run into them here at like 3.5k legend (seen about 2 of them), I just murder them fast with Totem Shaman. Maybe more of them will be there at higher legend?
Too bad as a f2p player I canāt make new lists for a few weeks while I grind packs and dust.
Clever girl.
ā Valeeraās bounty, last words
Iām playing around 1400 legend and i cannot see the power of this deck. Most likely because i am not hitting BDK and Paladin. However your average aggro Hunter deck has more questions than the deck has answers in total. Feels very much dependent on hitting those potion belts to keep the cards flowing.
I would say the general rankings for Rogue are correct ATM and the high end is getting the right matches to pair against.
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We have a lot of polarized metas but I think this one take the cake.
I am playing secret rogue, donāt lose a single game against blood DK, very popular in the ladder now, but not win a single game against paladin.
I am talking this after playing more than 10 games against both.
Never see nothing like that before.
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Iām not sure miracle rogue is that great. Itās matchup vs frost dk is terrible, even if everything else is great, meanwhile frost dk enjoys a pretty awesome spread itself.
Maybe Iām playing miracle rogue wrong (Iāll be the first to admit I hate this archetype in itās current form) however Iām consistently being frozen out of wins vs frost dk. Iāll check past records to see if frost dk was ever an even matchup, but it feels pretty Unwinnable, all they need to do is stall to turn 7 then freeze your out for the rest of the game.
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