Perfect! Finally, I have crushed the morale of my archnemesis, another random, anonymus person on the internet! My pride is radiant, and my day glorious!
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Paladin gets less hate because it plays fair.
It gives you a turn to contemplate what you did wrong before killing you with several 2 mana 5/5s and 8/8s and whatever.
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Because thisâŚ
âŚis simply not true. Paladins were good for not even the last 1 year, and while they had weeks of being no 1 here or there, it wasnât enough to make them as undisputed no 1.
Paladin in the overall history of HS is more often doing well than not, but that still doesnât mean theyâre OP. Theyâre usually good, but not OP.
Paladin is like your neighbor who seems to have the perfect life: good looking, healthy, have friends and family who truly care for them, capable both at home and on the job, and his job is a good job with a good boss, etc.
But he isnât the corrupt CEO or sleazy politician or born to rich parents or secretly drug dealer called Heisenberg who got to where they are via unsavory methods. Heâs a good guy, probably a pretty lucky guy, but not âOPâ
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Paladin is a pure cancer.
Damn pesky math facts and logic allways going against what goes in peoples minds , Paladin sucks i tell you all those numbers saying it was n1 in 2 freaking years are fake news for sureâŚ
| Class | Top Decks | Tier 1 Decks | Tier 2 Decks |
|---|---|---|---|
| DH | 10 | 24 | 28 |
| Druid | 2 | 11 | 16 |
| Hunter | 5 | 33 | 39 |
| Mage | 0 | 3 | 29 |
| Paladin | 15 | 44 | 20 |
| Priest | 0 | 0 | 10 |
| Rogue | 4 | 20 | 29 |
| Shaman | 2 | 7 | 14 |
| Warlock | 1 | 8 | 7 |
| Warrior | 2 | 20 | 39 |
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Paladin isnât a solitaire deck.
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If you would read my whole post youâd realize I actually acknowledged that paladins have had it good, and I never said paladin sucked. Iâm not sure where you pulled that strawman from.
Nice edit save right there lol, even you couldnt stand by all that bs but i read the whole thing before you deleted itâŚ
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Itâs almost as if Paladin is entirely designed around minion combat, and has almost no damage from hand without a board already set up. Which is what Hearthstone does best and also means even when itâs high/top tier, it will still always have serious, easily exploitable weaknesses.
Can we say the same about any spell based class? Or even classes like Hunter and Shaman?
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So your stance is that Paladin has had it good, but never too good? Always T2 never T1?
Because the stats disagree. And itâs kind of hard to argue that Paladin has both had itâs fair time in the spotlight but also hasnât been that good for the last two years.
True. Control Priest, assuming it doesnât get destroyed entirely, due to solitaire decks, would probably counter current Paladin decks pretty darn well.
Issue is that the meta is so polarized and skewed in playrate, that playing dedicated control is a total waste of time.
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This is spot on.
My hope is that Rogue and Warlock get nerfed to let more Control and Aggro into the meta. Paladin would be a much better class to anchor the meta around than a bunch of Combo decks.
Itâs not BS, it was a result of me misreading.
Sure.
Does not follow from above.
No, the stats do agree with me. The stat of âwho gets nerfedâ
Last year, despite having more top decks, it was DH who got multiple rounds of nerfs, whereas paladin was nerfed⌠once? With Alura?
If we count by nerfs received, then paladins last year was much more tame than DH and a few other classes (rogue? Shaman? Mage?)
See, the saying is there are lies, damn lies, and statistics. You can choose which numbers to focus on and chose how to interpret those numbers to tell whatever story you want.
Ok. Stop arguing. Both of you. Letâs focus on constructive ideas.
Calculating what the best decks are through what getâs nerfed is incredibly disingenuous. The dev team is not infallible, and often make the wrong choices when nerfing cards, caring more about what whiners say than actual stats.
Paladin should have been nerfed a lot more before, especially during Libram Pallyâs reign, but they declined to do so.
What âReignâ did Libram Paladin have before FITB again? It was arguably a T1 deck in SA, but never ever dominating. In fact it was a very rare pick once you got to Diamond due to how easily it was countered. In Darkmoon, it was a Niche pick as well for the same reasons.
It never really took over the Meta until Forged, and guess what it got nerfed into t4.
But it did indeed take over the meta in Forged. So much so that it took multiple balance patches to take it down, especially after they accidentally buffed First Day of School.
Anyway, weâve gotten a little off topic. Iâm not advocating for more Paladin nerfs atm and would be fine seeing take the top spot if it allows for more Control in the next patch.
I just have an issue with this âwoe is us Paladin playersâ mentality over the last 1.5 years which simply isnât true. If a class has to be T1 for months in order to be considered good most of the time, then no class has technically ever been good.
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Going from zero mana to 1 mana will never be a buff.
What the last nerf did to it was kill the card dead, which killed Paladin for the rest of FITB because with no early game, Paladin is useless. Especially against the stuff Hunter is allowed to do.
Speaking of Hunter, why is that class allowed to be T1 for entire expansions (as in, multiple in a row) with no complaints anyways
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Itâs no more disingenuous than counting how often classes show up on tier lists without asking whether theyâre there because they were OP, or simply good. People just assume what they feel like.
What is a right or âwrongâ choice is not something stats can show. Thatâs personal (your) judgement. And you are not infallible either.
Just from top of my headâŚ
Tick lock wasnât nerfed despite many whines
Priest (res particularly) also doesnât get many nerfs despite all the hate towards them
Mysterious challenger and Anyfin from way way back were not nerfed despite pallies being the top back then and almost everyone whining about them (pallies were known to have âthe best curve every turnâ)
And of course, paladins in the last year also had their share of whines. This âomg pallies good for last 2 yearsâ didnât spring out of nowhere. Itâs kinda what led to that thread where Aeg went and did the counting.
And DH shouldnât have been nerfed at all, if we go by the same numbers Aeg produced and that you and Orion and some others stick to.
But I doubt most would consider the DH nerfs last year were âwrongâ or that the complaints were merely âwhiningâ
Hunter gets a pass because there must always be one class that even a braindead person can play to legend.
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