Mathematical proof of Hearthstone manipulation, found!

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Yes, and their calculation is just wrong since it doesn’t take into account the fact that there are multiple bombs in the deck. Based on the context, it looks like they ask Gemini to do the calculation, got a wrong answer and called it “mathematical proof” without seeming to understand it at all.

I am being a bit nit-picky, since even the correct calculation results in a low number and the rest of the argument is related to whether or not very uncommon events actually happen, but Gemini says so isn’t proof of anything.

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Be it as it may, the really sad thing here is that you should have bought a lottery ticket that day.

Maybe you were on a roll and did not take advantage of it haha :slight_smile:

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Precisely why I said “vast majority”
Also precisely why I added that what we currently call random may simply not be random at all but just that we are not able yet to understand deeper how it works

I wish for nothing but the truth revealed in proper ways. All I’m saying is that the accusations I see never have solid fundations and that all the arguments are either biased, falacious or dismissable, nothing enough to convince me of rigging.
If there was something truly undisputable, I may have a hard time believing it but I will eventually.
The same way I sometimes contradict people going my way because they use falacious arguments or acknowledge that people going the other way have actually good points using proper methodology. There are several topics in that forum where I changed my mind thanks to people having good arguments.

A single actual proof would be enough to take them to court and win
If it has not been done yet it’s simply because not one has been provided yet that can not be dismissed, because there are a lot of people that are waiting for it to start the procedure

You mean like people taking extremely precise scenarios not going in their favor to claim that’s the proof that the entire game is rigged ?

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This is obviously hugely dependent on the total number of cards in the deck, which you did not say.

You said you had 25 life, but somehow that number 25 got misinterpreted as your deck size.

This is wrong, because it doesn’t matter which specific bomb you draw. So it should be 5/x, not 1/x.

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This game requires serious math yo

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Let it go and queue another game.

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Ha, classical quantum mechanics governs ‘the vast majority’ of things you run into during your daily life, including the very device from which you’ve written your post.

Don’t make me laugh.

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It is not interesting to be able to play at high ranks and have battletags like “skjfbsnf”. But there is a lot of accounts in top-500 with funny battletags. Some of them can be seen as disposal. I will not say that some of them were used for wintrading since I have no proofs, but I have strong suspects that such cases exist. I say for sure that some of them were used for jokes and that kind of streamsniping when people are just kidding and planning to create some funny content with a streamer. I know that there were such cases in Russian-speaking Twitch HS audience. Most of such jokes are too local to be explained. So battletags of such accounts usually don’t look as something funny for you, especially when Cyrillic letters are used. But no, there are NOT only “normal accounts”. For example, something that looks pretty normal for you can look like an account created with the sole purpose to mock santamaks (Ukrainian top player) or to maintain the myth that Filfeel (Russian top player and streamer) works at a very special :rainbow: sauna :rofl: Also I have a suspect that one of top-200 players, а Kazakhstani player, creates accounts and changes battletags more often than my gf changes dresses, but his goals are unknown (probably even more local jokes)

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In plain words, it’s called an open secret.

Wait, are you trying to suggest that so-called ‘streamers’ from that particular platform arent’t generally like that? :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

You got a GF? What’s the colloquial expression for this on the internetz? I believe it’s ‘cool story, bro’.

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lol, dude, it’s a freakin’ video game, not a revolution. You’re being ridiculous.

If you enjoy the game then play it, and if you don’t then don’t play it.

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Your argument is dumb unless you are trolling anyway. It’s “1 in 6,375,600.” to also win in improbable ways - and those happen all the time in every video game without rigging anything - so are you also rigging the game when you win in all video games?

I don’t blame you too much; people are generally bad at intuition for probability and statistics; eg they have the delusion a coin flip switch swap sides each time.

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That’s a dumb thing to say. Look into RDRAND and other similar hardware on modern Intel and AMD processors. They utilize random fluctuations on the physical environment of the hardware itself to produce numbers; good luck predicting those fluctuations; not even the Devs could predict that even if they sat next to the server.

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Bad math. It’s “1 in 6,375,600.” to also win in a myriad ways in this game, so are you also rigging when you win?

You see a game that has a high variation and you have the delusion that having variation is improbable.

Hell it’s “1 in 6,375,600.” to draw something boring in any similar video game so are they also rigged?

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I mean, OP didn’t do the math right and didn’t mention the situation right neither.

His opponent did not shuffle 5 bombs into his deck in a single turn before he drew it all.

I can assume that his opponent shuffle 2 bombs on turn 3 (the 3 mana minion with dark gift).

Then they shuffle 2 more on turn 4, and shuffle 1 more on turn 5.

He did not draw any of them on turn 4 and 5, then suddenly draw all on turn 6.

The actual odd might be low, but not very low like “1 out of 6m”.

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It matters not.

If your deck has 25 cards and 5 bombs at any given point, then the odds are as presented.

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He never said how many total cards were in the deck.

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