Lets start here with nerfs

Let’s hit

Brann
The elusive zilliax
Zarimi
Sif
Dh weapon
Wheel of death
The nature draw one spell from shaman

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If they hit this one without hitting the lifesteal/rush/duplicate one, I’m done with this game

It’s cancerous

I really don’t understand how everybody gives the second best deck in the format, Hunter, a pass.

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It’s probably because hunter plays minions that can be interacted with. OP’s complaints all revolve around decks that do nothing “meaningful” related to the board.

  • Warrior can stall and then end after Brann comes down through a variety or methods.
  • Rogue elusive Zilliax sits in stealth doing nothing.
  • Zarimi allows for abusive swings that cannot be easily countered.
  • Sif is more stall with damage from hand.
  • DH weapon allows for discounted flooding of the board with non-interactable Magetheridon.
  • Wheel of Death promotes stall.
  • Shaman is nothing but finding pieces and then going off on turn 6.

I’m not saying the criticism is right or wrong, just that this is the common thread with the complaints about these decks versus hunter.

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Surprisingly lucid answer from someone who claims the game’s rigged xD

also, noone is playing hunter in ranks where OP plays. It has no power in legend. For an aggro deck, it gets out-aggroed by classes which never came close to having an aggro deck before way too consistently, and in legend people know to just keep the hunter’s part of the board clean and it’s gg easy

No, it’s absolutely still the second best deck even at top Legend. It’s just less popular the higher rank you get, for literally no good reason. (Bad reasons exist.)

Edit: well maybe third best. But overall, Hunter is more Nerf worthy than anything that isn’t Demon Hunter.

That statement is simply not true. Zarimi priest is next in line and arguably a few other before hunter. And honorable mention to nature shaman, which needs nerfing regardless of relative performance.

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You know I don’t believe that this even exists. You’re just saying it to make me angry.

As far as Hunter goes, I don’t really think I need to argue so much. I just think I need to wait. I bet you’ll be singing a different tune after the patch.

Oh, and I wouldn’t be surprised if Hunter and Priest are equally powerful Post Nerf

No plagues? I don’t care how good or bad the deck is. It’s terrible experience to play against.

Because we like to play against hunter.

It isn’t really a pass but more like:

Yeah…
As long as it don’t get out of Control we not really mind it.

With that said i’m also think Wheel of death and Sif nerfs are ridiculous to ask at this point.

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Could someone provide an impartial analysis of the current meta?

This whole list reeks of personal bias and I am questioning its validity regarding these choices representing actual outliers or OP’s unfavorable matchups.

Everyone thinks they aren’t biased when they are. Including me. I know I have some biases. But maybe I’ll work something up for you later on, moderately busy now.

The Sif include told me everything I need to know.
OP hates combo or the label “noninteraction” and compiled a list for it.

While my own gameplay experience offers some perspective, it may not suffice to fully grasp the nuances presented here. Nonetheless, a discernible pattern emerges from the OP.

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Saloon Brewmaster as it allowed Boom to be placed 3 times for 24 TNT’s.

I do know you don’t believe this but I did not say it to make you angry. I agree it doesn’t need nerfing if it’s not competitive. I mean this one needs a nerf regardless of it being tier 1 or tier 2. It will likely be nerfed regardless of what either of us thinks anyway.

Open the Waygate nerf to 12 Spell requirement would be nice

Mage just dropped to the last spot in the rankings and somehow that equals a nerf to the core card on its viable deck lmao.

It would actually be hillarious to nerf the class and leave it with a 30% win rate deck only lol.

So by all means nerf Sif ,its yet another record to the class.

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The recent data on Burn Shaman (from d0nkey) seems to indicate that the deck has slid into that niche where it’s bottom of Tier 3 in D4-1 yet bottom of Tier 1 in top 1000 Legend. Something very much like what we’ve seen from skill testing combo decks like Garrotte Rogue before. So now if I were to defend Burn Shaman, I’d need to do so on two different fronts: in opposition to the sentiment outlier justification, and in opposition to balancing the game around top Legend (as opposed to Diamond 4-1).

And while I’m all about dying on the sentiment outlier hill, I’m not so keen on the “top Legend doesn’t matter” argument. I mean, I do think D4-1 matters more than top Legend. But I also think that top Legend has predictive power, and that given enough time the D4-1 of tomorrow will resemble the T1KL of today, at least somewhat.

I think I’m still technically against nerfing Burn Shaman at this time, because I don’t really give a single crap about how much it bothers Kassadin and other top Legend players. I don’t care about top Legend for its own sake. Frankly I’m sick of the game being balanced around streamers and Twitch chat instead of the actual players. But I do think Burn Shaman is a situation that should be monitored closely and may justify a nerf if, and only if, the situation at lower ranks begins to resemble the current situation at higher ranks.