Let’s describe to the folks at home what the mathematics have to say about this. You open your Hearthstone and you see that Hero 2 has 3.50 placement and Hero 3 has 3.62 placement and Hero 1(PAID) has 4.24 placement and Hero 4(PAID) has 4.62 placement metrics.
That means that the Firestone developer (a great person by the way (go support them)) is telling you that:
Hero 4 (that you can’t choose unless you pay) is the best choice
Hero 1 (that you can’t choose) is ~8% worse
Hero 2 is ~21% worse
Hero 3 is ~24% worse
To see the level of ludicrousness to call that unimportant: the best players in the world (on any game) seek even for 1% advantages so 8% alone is a gigantic advantage and 20% advantages reach the point of just being game-breaking good.
PS If people saw percentage differences instead of just the metric on their screen they would get that more intuitively just as they get more intuitively in standard that some netdecks have higher winrate under certain filters.
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Did you literally just make up one example from imagination which just happened to be the one that “proves” your theory and then go ahead and analyze that “mathematically”, but completely forgetting to take any other variable into account?
Talk about strawman. This is strawman squared. Nah, make that cubed.
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You show ignorance on probability and statistics. More choice is power, and 1 lucky moment is enough to get an advantage anyway because if you didn’t p2w you wouldn’t even have that chance to exist.
Add all those chances in a pot and average it out, you inevitably get better chances on average.
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Of course statistics would support a P2W argument here but I can’t bring myself to buy into it. I like winning as an underdog. I never rank much more than over 6K, shoot most time barely over 4K but I still have fun regardless in battlegrounds.
I don’t care personally either. I play knowing I have a handicap. I just find it unreasonable to assume the pass is not an advantage.
I mean Firestone spells it out every single time I play a game. The heroes are often easily 10% apart at impact metric.
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Problem is that sweaty basement try hards must believe there is no P2W advantage or their lives are miserable.
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Enh, kind of looks the other way around to me.
“I would be at least 2k rank higher if I bought the battlepass! That’s the only reason my MMR sucks because it’s p2w!”
More options = more chances to win the amount may vary between games but to say more paid options is not an advantage is false.
You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink.
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That’s not THAT much, because you may get only 2 options that you find both bad or you may just don’t know how to play them which is similar to them being bad because you might know how to play the hidden options.
Though it depends on how much you play: someone playing 24/7 will likely find 2K too little of a change.
I play too little so 2K is probably too much, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the pass would give around 1K.
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Well, that’s a take. You really think you’d jump from 6k (around top ~40% of player base mid season) to 8k, (top 5% midseason). And it has literally nothing to do with your time played.
Obviously there is some (in my opinion, small) % difference between having the choice of 4 heroes and 2, but it’s not nearly as much as you think or are implying, if you are a mid 0%-90% elo player. If you are looking to go pro, then yes, you probably should buy the battle pass to eek out the smallest edge. Just like if you are really good at golf, you’ll probably want the best clubs. But that’s still not going to matter if you give the best clubs to an average player–he’s not all the sudden going to turn pro.
That is AWFULLY generous of you to think that many players get that high of a rating at those points in a season if at all during a season. Less than .05% of players get over 8K rating. Average end of season rating is around 6K-6200 and that’s during a season with easy mechanics.
There’s no profession circuit for BG’s. They canceled it over a year ago. Now TFT is worth putting in a huge amount of time because they have a real pro circuit.
That’s a circular argument (that goes to both of you). You accuse people that they won’t get the extra rating that p2w players have now, but you compare …with p2w players now.
Also it’s a strawman. I literally just typed right before your post that I would personally not get extra 2K probably.
How much rating do you think an average player gains from buying the pass in a season?
Well he said 2k, so I was trying to imagine a scenario that might involve 2000 points for the average person. It’s such a meaningful difference in skill levels that all I could think of was in that range. Like for me, I tend to hit around 8k, and I know the gap between 8k and 10k is so ridiculously large that he couldn’t possibly be talking about 2k points up there, so yeah…
It’s all ridiculous either way.
hearthstone is just an Orwellian scam, whoever pays blizzard is just a “prolet” who deludes himself into thinking he has some chance of emerging by paying for a new skin, blizzard increases his favor with the rng for a short period and he enters like a hamster in the wheel, the more he pays the more he wins and the more he has to pay. Basically blizzard has invented a legal addictive system to extort money from people by manipulating the system as it wants without being prosecuted by the law for this
Buddy, the pass isn’t enough.
I’ve explained this so many times on the forums and I will do so again .
Buying the season pass simply unlocks the 4 hero option. What you don’t see, however, is that it activates a secret algorithm. Once you buy the pass, you then need to continually purchase emotes, boards, hero portraits, whatever the shop offers.
The secret is to go to the battlegrounds shop and purchase every single item in the “just for you” section of the shop.
After doing this for one season, during the NEXT season , you automatically get a scrub ranking of about 10k. Then the gains just roll in until you hit about 13 k.
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So that’s the secret? I need the secret club handshake and extra addons plus the cheat codes? I have been doing this all wrong.
I was curious what he felt it really added. He said 2K but then said probably 1K. The answer is more like 100-200 points and perhaps 500 at most. All of which amounts to nothing.
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Because they can’t make it obvious duh
Yeah, I mean this is purely anecdotal, but my f2p account and my pass account are always within like 300-600 points, but that honestly probably has more to do with the fact that I play my f2play when I don’t want to actually take things serious.