I can't recommend this game to new players

[Killuminati-11956]

The deck looks about mid-tier two. Would you suggest something else?

[Selwynn-1560]

@Killuminati-11956

The deck looks about mid-tier two

And it may be effective for bronze-gold, but mid tier two isn’t winning more than 50% past there. There aren’t enough matches against favorable decks to be consistent.

[Killuminati-11956]

I’m looking at diamond through legend. What deck would you craft on a new account with little resources saved? I lack that experience, alas.

[Selwynn-1560]

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@Selwynn-1560

And it may be effective for bronze-gold,

is what I said. Seems like a new account would be there, no?

[Killuminati-11956]

Yeah, but might not be for long, depending. Most new players come from more complicated CCGs, so. Thinking of MtG.

All good, though. Thanks for the input.

[Lukbel47-1499]

Not sure if I agree.

Can you share more of what exactly you’re speaking about? and maybe give example of better f2p experience provided by other games?

I started being a F2P player years ago (where we didn’t had rewards system) and to me it was pretty fine already. I was able to experience most of the things that the game could offer without spending absolutelly nothing.

Of course I didn’t had top tier 1 competitive decks and many legendaries that I’d like to. However, it was perfectly fair for me considering that there’s not a bunch of games where I can have a great deal of experience without paying anything.

I guess that’s why is hard for me to believe that things are worse today considering that rewards system give you the chance to grind and get gold way faster than before.

Edit: Also considering the core set, new players will have a great set of legendaries and powerful cards without spending any money

[Eulrich-2784]

i mean the premium in f2p is still the riot model, where you get everything for free in a very fast pace (i quit playing league 6years ago, and even now i still have enough resources to buy the next 100+champions they´ll release) and are only allowed to pay for cosmetics, not for power.

hearthstone certainly has improved on the f2p side of things with the core set and reward track, but it´s still an atrocious grind to get a good collection (i´m playing f2p since 2 years and i can play only half the classes and there´s only 2 i have an almost full collection), and with rotations outpacing goldgain even after the changes if you don´t play 24/7 that is not about to change much., there´s so much room for improvment.

but ofc they are afraid people won´t spent money just to reward them for a good time they had with the game, and with current traction of their design that might be wise.

[anon89377020]

@Splinted-1398

Heres the thing, I recently conceded twice in a row to players who had minions from the miniset. Mr Smite and Kazakusan, over powering minions that will likely turn the tide of the game.

The pattern I am seeing is that these minisets include incredibly strong minions that can be instantly accessible through currency. To a new player, this is a pay to win and I can’t find ways to defend, especially with these minisets.

Also, anything going to happen about the dust fiasco or now is the time we forget about it?

Here’s the thing…

Next month is rotation. This is the time of the year when power creep is at it’s highest. For new players that want to be competitive, they should focus on gaining and stockpiling resources. They don’t need to win to gain XP for track. And they can reroll quests too.

[Lukbel47-1499]

I see.

I never played any Riot game so is tough for me to argue, but still I’d like to ask: they also have a card game, don’t they? legends of runeterra? Wouldn’t this one be a more suitable choice to this comparison?

Edit: let me be more specific: Is hard to me to figure how they could make this game viable and yet profitable if you could, for example, obtain every card of every expansion only playing the game, you know? So I understand that hearhstone business model was build like this because it needs to work that way. I’m interested in hearing how it could be different, though