I will definitely try this, and tysvm!
I think they’ve been pretty consistent with mage over the years. They’ve provided both a casino deck option and a burn deck option throughout most of the classes history.
Now whether those decks were competitive or not is entirely different but they’ve been pretty consistent in at least having those two archetypes present. Sometimes they veer out and give tribal decks (think mech, elemental and those options usually crossover with burn – see the the elemental burn damage cards in standard right now) but for people who like casino you usually have two choices (rogue, mage) and for burn decks mage is usually the go to class.
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when is the last time that mage had a burn option?
Right now, Mal. Burn mage is in right now
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Honestly when was the last time mage did not have a burn option? By no means a comprehensive list but freeze mage, antonious mage, mozaki mage, I believe naga mage classified as a burn deck, vellaxus/arcane bolt otk, sif mage, lightshow mage (with that one 9 mana guy that recast spells and without) and no minion burn mage right now. There are even ‘gimmick’ burn decks… belinda into double pyro for 10 mana 20 damage and dj manastorm and hybrid burn mech mage in the past / elemental mage right now.
A lot of those were legend viable if not top tier (sif and naga I believe were top tier for a while) and span most of hearthstone history.
None of those are “burn” decks. They are almost all combo, OTK, or stall/control decks.
Being able to finish from hand does not automatically mean burn deck.
Mozaki was a spell damage OTK deck.
Freeze mage was a stall deck.
I could go on…
What mage has right now is a burn deck. Plays fast to face, curves, and then abandons board, and finishes from hand, with no combos required.
It bears no resemblance to practically any of the decks you named.
Your definition of a burn deck is far too broad imho.
Look…
Many of the times those weren’t viable blizzard released cards that sorry to say but they knew that aren’t viable.
Like…
Can we discuss How festival of legends lightshow mage was literally made unviable by a “bug” that somehow was consistent with the card text that made it unplayable for 6 months?
Sorry but anyone talking that lightshow was “bug” and it was not blizzard decision to make it utterly unviable when it could be is being dishonest.
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Plus; he characterizes all of those decks as"burn", when they most certainly were not.
Burn means tempo and face. You either kill your opponent and win, or burn out and lose.
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I guess if my version of burn is too broad yours is too narrow. So you play minions from turn 1-5 they convert to from hand spell damage? I suppose I dont follow.
Vellaxus mage (at least the version I ran) did that
Various versions of Sif mage have done/do that
Elemental mage can be built to do that
Mech mage both in the past (think blastmage) and the one that used mecha-shark did that
Anything that ran flamewalker / pre-nerf mana wyrm probably qualifies
I mean if my burn deck is ‘too broad’ then yours might just be too narrow. It seems to me you have a deck from the past that you characterized as a burn deck that you’ve never been able to replicate in modern hearthstone and despite there being variant alternatives they dont seem to be good enough to bring back the nostalgia of whatever burn deck you have in mind when you mention ‘burn deck’
Mabye you can give an example of what you refer to as the ‘ideal’ burn deck? To me a burn deck is a deck that ‘burns you down’ with spells.
What you described is not burn as I know it.
Hunter burns. It goes almost exclusively face and either wins or runs out of damage.
You described combo decks, control decks, OTK, and stall decks.
Sorry then I guess I will be perpetually confused by what you consider a burn deck. Mabye I consider ‘burn’ mostly spell based and you consider it mostly minion based.
If thats the case then you are probably correct there are not a whole lot of aggro minion mage decks but I think that the absence of them sort of keeps in the ‘flavor’ of mage as a primary spell caster and you might consider a switch to hunter/paladin from mage then as they are usually the minion aggro decks.
I do think as of now elemental mage with cards like Triplewick trickster / Tainted remenant would be up your alley as it is a minion centric deck that does a lot of burst damage and isn’t really looking to trade.
I think we are closer than you think, just that I don’t see Sif mage as burn. I see it as Spell damage combo.
I don’t see Freeze mage as burn either. control/stall.
Light show was combo, although it does burn from hand.
At any rate; minion based decks are not entirely what I meant.
I like alot of decks. The deck in Standard right now is great for me.
It is fast, and it plays early minions that cannot be ignored, then turns the corner and burns from hand.
If the minions don’t do enough damage, then you burn out.
I’m not a fan of all day decks.
Most of the ones you mentioned are really slow.
Mage hasn’t had a fast burn deck until now in a really long time
Ok I think I get it now, its more of a turns to win thing rather than really the specific method of winning the game.
In that case yea I would agree most mage decks were turn 8+. Mage has not had a turn 5/6 kill deck in a while.
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exactly. mage has been given really slow decks for a long time now, along with combination win conditions.
I like straight forward fast decks.
That’s why so many have told me to change classes, because team 5 hasn’t given mage anything like this until now, in a long time:)
Nicely put!
And as I said, you can always make such a deck tier 3, for example, tier 2 optimally, but never tier 1
if it was tier 1, it’d be too strong and too toxic
Already some of the plays you can do with this deck are sus
For example, I got burned down from 21 hp to 0 against it
The amount of discounted burn spells she can have mustn’t be underestimated
Too bad it’s not consistent
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