Are you having any success against this? What cards or decks do you find to be helpful? I prefer to counter the meta so I’m not just playing mirror matches, but this deck is very quick and I can’t think of anything.
Reno Mage with both polymorph and explosive runes.
Pirate Warrior and Secret Mage.
Handbuff Paladin with Loatheb and one cult neophyte.
Hunter as well, but is bad in general. Druid with armro generation is so-so. Emperor thaurisan has a bug in combination with celestial alignement, reduces all cards to 0 after celestial is played (and not to 1)
I don’t think the population of Flamewaker Mages is that high to be honest, maybe some people need time to catch-up /shrug.
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Dirty rats. I’m d3 with even hero power mage and dirty rata are fantastic vs flamewalkers as they run so few minions- and other decks as well.
Also kezan mystic to steal their ice blocks and prevent the OTK. (Even MORR useful against Mozaki, they tend to concede on the spot)
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It’s easy, you just need deal about 30 damage to their face.
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Watchposts do a lot of work, and not just Far Watch Post either. If your deck itself puts any kind of minion presence on board, then Crossroads Watch Post is one of the finest anti-Flamewaker cards ever printed.
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Thx all - I’m trying to sort something out with armor smiths as warrior, but I don’t know what else to do with the deck once I have all the pieces in heheh. Will definitely include dirty rat like someone suggested.
I also tried to put a dirty rat inside my decks but its’s just one card out of 30. The chances to pull it out before turn five are very little. After turn five you lost by 80%. Flame waker and Mozaki mages are the worst at the moment. Why do anyone in the HS team thinks this is fun to play? Even if you are at 30 life and even if you had a board with 3-4 minions. Together with the Mana Biscuit and the Incanters flow nothing costs Mana!! If they have both Apprentice out, stupid cards like Refrehing Springwater even creating Mana. this is totaly frustrating to play and needs to be nerfed. Even if they do not care about wild, but this is a part of their product and they should need to have a look to all parts. Sometimes I think, they willingly want to kill wild in order to make more money with standard. But this is not how it workes. If you offer a bad experience like this, people will not not change the mode, they will go!
Are secret mage and pirate warrior stronger than APM Mage?
Depends of the meta, and of the server you play.
EU has on average a higher amount of control/slow decks in legend, whereas NA has more aggro. So Pirate Warrior may be tier 1 in NA, whereas APM is tier 1 in EU.
(Pirate Warrior doesn’t like Priest, whereas APM Mage loves them)
The ladder on the way to legend has more aggro, so I would recommend Pirate Warrior.
TWO dirty rats!
If you play a board centric deck, maybe try the 4 mana watchpost. I’ve heard that’s pretty much a hard counter to flamewalker lol, they can’t deal with stats that grow faster than it deals damage
For Mozaki, actually Kezan Mystic is a hard counter, lol! Steal their ice block and they almost ALWAYS concede!
Hm, thank you for the free wins you deliver to everyone else^
So you need 2 dirty rats by turn 6.
The Mage might have 0 minions in hand before he pops off, already happened to me, lol.
Not STRONGER than flamewalker mage- per se- but it IS a hard counter to flamewalker. Flamewalker runs so few minions that explosive runes wrecks it
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What, you want 100% winrate? If so I can’t help you. I can give OP advice if he’s interested in increasing his winrate vs flamewalker, but nothing is going to alloe him to win every single match. If he just wants to whine, that’s his business.
Two dirty rats HAVE worked for me; if you have stats on the board, you can often survive the first flamewalker popoff. It’s the second one that really seals the deal, and you can usually snag at LEAST one of them.
It’s so prevalent it’s foolish NOT to tech against them.
So you don’t believe in teching at ALL? You believe that because kezan mystic is a dead draw vs most decks, it will always cost me the game? What about ooze?
Truly foolish comment.
I believe in teching when it is worth including.
Stickyfinger is effective vs Kingsbane, so is albatross and the rogue shuffles vs reno decks.
If you play dirty rat, I will applaud you for helping me, because in most cases you will not be able to kill it in the same turn. You need to kill the minion in the same turn. If you get luna flamewaker for example, you need zeph + eviscerate.
That said, an APM Mage doesn’t care if he loses 1 of his combo pieces. Lethal can be achieved without sorcer apprentice. (I did it even without flamewaker)
The reason explosive runes is so nasty, is because the APM Mage loses tempo on top of the combo piece.
Dirty rat is good vs other decks as well, thus you may very well include 2 in control warlock, but not because you believe this is a tech most APM Mages care about.
Are you new to teching? NOBODY plays dirty rat without a plan for killing what they pull if they are wise. I play 2 rats in even hero power mage- i play it as soon as I have 4 damage available against flamewalker, never before. Actually, vs Mozaki I usually don’t play it at all- 8 health is far more difficult to remove early enough. But Mozaki is the reason I tech mystic- they’re not nearly as common as flamewalker, and they tend to concede as soon as you steal their ability to OTK
Well, that’s the point. Flamewaker pops too early to care about dirty rat. And you only need 1 flamewaker round to deal with most stuff. The rest, the missing, 10-14 dmg can be discovered, and no more flamewaker is stricktly needed.
i think illucia can help, but it’s hard to play.
dirty rat, and then kill it