If no one knows anyone’s MMR except the internal Blizz, there is zero chance anyone can accurately and intentionally manipulate it artificially either through their own solo actions or by group interactions.
The idea that you would think a loss was due to “unfair” or some scheme on the server side is not a good look. Assume the game is fair and own your play.
Another angle: Would you play differently against a player you perceived as “better” than you? Not showing rankings means you assume each player is your skill level and let the game dictate your play. It’s honestly a benefit, imo, not to know.
If boosting is a concern, show it at the end of games then.
I assume nothing, especially with Blizzard. Their programming has gone drastically downhill since Brode hung up the gloves, you only need to look at the increased number if bugged patches in the last couple of years to see it.
bug are not equal to cheating customers, man. There’s a big gulf between bad programming and deception.
Boosting would still be a concern if you let an internal metric become public at any point. You literally have no idea how your MMR is affected by anything right now, and I believe it should stay that way.
Are you saying your matches have been poor? Idk why it matters and no one has given me a good answer on why I should care.
I never said intentional. Bugs happen. How can we report constant mismatches if they happen?
Sorry, I don’t blindly trust their programming skills. I have every reason not to.
You are welcome not to care. I and many others want to know we are being matched as fairly as possible. If we aren’t, consistently, then they need to turn some dials to fix it.
We are at an impasse. I don’t consider the community as dumb as yourself and Blizzard. You won’t convince me there is a good reason for it to be hidden any more tha I will convince you otherwise.
It just feels more like paranoia than valid question.
Again, I think the reason that you don’t have more data is specifically to stop people from nitpicking their matching.
There are many smart people in the community that get waaay too hung up on dumb things. I feel like this matching question would be it’s own sub forum of math and bad assumptions and crap that wouldn’t help anyone win a match ever.
I agree with you, though. Since you have no faith and I have no care, we are truly at an impasse.
That is false. That is not what happened. As soon as the new ranking system was introduced, Legend players could see the opponent rank, but non-Legend could not. Hiding the opponent rank from non-Legends has no bearing on the matchups. People still knew that Legends were being matched against non-Legends, because people were streaming it. Show me a quote from Blizzard saying they hid opponent rank for non-Legend players due to complaints about matchup fairness. Otherwise, you are just making this up and that’s not particularly helpful.
So what.
Again, that is false. Show me where Blizzard said they started hiding rank as a result of this. They didn’t. The ranks were hidden when the new system was implemented. Further, why not hide the opponent rank for Legend players then?
Again… so what?
So what?
Why? Why should Legend players see their opponent’s rank while non-Legends should not? Just hide the opponent rank from everyone. Be consistent.
You said “X thing happened and thats why im right”, if you are confirming something, you are suposed to prove it with evidence, thats how it works.
Someone at this forum once said “if you claim something, bring the evidence or you are lying or trolling”, its your turn here to bring evidence to autosquelch little Selwynn, thats how it works
Of course it doesn’t matter. Your opponent’s rank is completely meaningless to your gameplay. And that’s the same whether you are a Legend player or a non-Legend player. So either show everybody the opponent rank or show nobody the opponent rank. Be consistent.
They are showing the opponent’s rank when we are at the Legend rank but not showing it when we are at the non-Legend rank. That is inconsistent. They should either show it to everybody or not show it to anybody.
It’s not a strawman by any stretch of the imagination.
Blizzard consistently will not show you the factors that caused you to be matched with another player in a ladder match. They don’t do it below legend and they don’t do it at legend. They are by clear evidence consistent in that approach.
You are mad because the match criteria changes, not because they are inconsistent.
Then why not just hide the opponent’s rank in all cases? That would be consistent. Nobody needs to know their opponent’s rank. It serves no game related purpose. There’s absolutely no reason to show the opponent rank whether we are Legend rank or non-Legend rank.
Further, they’ve already revealed the factors that govern the matchups. When you have the star multiplier, you are matched by hidden MMR. When you are Legend, you are matched by hidden MMR. When you are non-Legend without the star multiplier, you are matched by rank. That’s the information they revealed. Knowing an opponent’s rank adds no new information to that. But if they still want it hidden for reasons that they are hiding, it should also be hidden at the Legend rank.
…Once you achieve “Legend” you are on a literal ladder of a small pool of players and your ranking translates to your actual standing in your region. If you beat the legend 1 player, you just knocked off the highest ranked player in your region. Are you saying you wouldn’t want to know this information?
If you contrast that to the previous ladder there are eleventy billions of people at bronze 8. It literally tells you nothing. It’s even less interesting when that’s not the criteria for match but a player sees bronze 9 vs diamond , bronze loses, and QQ ensues - even though those players may have had exactly the same MMR, which was the factor that matched him.
It’s irrelevant… as irrelevant as the non-Legend rank. The only relevant information is your own rank. If you win a Legend match and get to #1, then you’re #1. The rank of the player you beat is irrelevant. Are you going to try harder to beat the Legend 3 player than the Legend 16 player? Of course not. It doesn’t affect your gameplay at all.
And so what? QQ always ensues. Did Blizzard say that they chose not to display opponent ranks for players below Legend because they were afraid of QQ on the forums?
It isn’t interesting to you. It is interesting to others. Conversely, seeing opponent rank at Legend isn’t interesting to other players while it is interesting to you.
Well, your avid participation in the thread suggests otherwise. Regardless, you have ignored the important point of the comment. Some Legend players may find knowing their opponent’s rank interesting while others may not. Some non-Legend players may find knowing their opponent’s rank interesting while others may not. To be consistent, Blizz should hide opponent’s rank from all players, Legend and non-Legend OR show opponent’s rank to all players, Legend and non-Legend.
