How can people still say the game isn't rigged?

yes, its very east to test this

Listen to the expert people , he is the poster child for this.

When you outrank the frog in derangement and he comes out on top in terms of sanity you know you re done…

Yikes theres no greater shame.

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You’ve literally never played paper MTG if you think land smoothing hasn’t been a thing since forever. Of course land smoothing would exist in a digital release. How could they not? It’s a core mechanic to the way players shuffle their cards.

I repeat: It is a CORE hand shuffling mechanic. It’s cheating, but cheating is only cheating if you’re caught AND punished. Land starving and land flooding is ever present in MTG when you don’t do this. If they didn’t do this in a digital game, then the player would just go “Oh, this never happens when I play paper, why is it happening here?”

I’m pretty sure it doesn’t exist right now though, even though it likely existed at some point, I don’t know when. Played MTGA recently and, hey, you still get 1 land hands, you still get 4 land hands, you still mana flood, you still mana starve. Whatever you’re on about, they don’t do it right now.

So, because everyone you know cheats MTG Arena should too?

Mana weaving is illegal in all tournaments for a reason.

/rolleyes

We really should discount anything at all you might ever have to say on the subject of fair gameplay.

Land smoothing only affects the opening draw. It rolls several hands and will prefer ones with 2-5 lands, avoiding those with 0-1 and 6-7 lands. The exact specifics depend on the ratio of lands to spells in your deck. You can get significant increases in opening land count from certain breakpoints.

They do not mess with draw order once the game starts though. That’s purely random.

You gotta prove it for the cheat to be actionable. Has to be more than an accusation too. People do it, you can prove it through watching their shuffle method, and then reverse shuffling it to show the mana weaving. There’s a handful of videos showing the method.

But like I said, rules aren’t rules until someone gets punished for breaking them. The concept here is that if everyone wants to do it, then everyone does do it. If nobody wants to grab a judge and report it, AND prove it, then the rule essentially doesn’t exist. And when a rule doesn’t exist, then it becomes a universal mechanic that is accepted by everyone.

So, all I’m saying is, when the majority of playerbase uses it in paper, there is no surprise it is used in MTGA. It’s literally expected. I’m not going to extend this into hearthstone, I don’t buy into rigging people believe exists here. Don’t even care if it did.

Pathetic, selfish approach to life.

Except it’s…not used in MTGA. So, what for your expectations now?

That the game I play on my 3rd monitor provides some level entertainment. I know the other game does, I know the movie does, but…ehh, card games, not so much these days.

Actually, everything we do is selfish to begin with, but with smart planning and optimal strategies through life we can achieve synergistic effects (competition makes us give our best to win, cooperation makes us give our best to find the common ground, tit for tat with going first being the optimal strategy through life) which turns our long-term selfishness in a short-term altruism

It’s not that Blizzard isn’t rigging the matchmaking because they aren’t selfish enough to; they aren’t rigging it because in the long-term that’s best for them, selfishly.

EDIT: for the less obvious examples of our motivations primarily being driven by selfishness, we can take doing other people favors even when not asked to do so. But again, we do it because of two factors:

a) short-term mood boost effect (helping others usually results in at least grattitude from the helpee, which acts as positive feedback in our brains and excretes dopamine and other feel-good chemicals), and
b) hope for the favor being returned in the future when needed…

You can’t escape it. There is only selfishness, and everything else, is the result of the crazy synergistic effects produced by the complexity of the systems we inhabit.

EDIT 2: It’s possible to conclude the other way around, as well - that there is only altruism, because if we are pure altruists by nature - instead of purely selfish as we assumed in the previous example - then being selfish in the short-term ultimatively means being altruistic in the long-term, because preserving ourselves, a purely altruistic agent, is as well, a purely altruistic deed.

Hence, there is no selfish, and there is no altruism. It all depends on the perspective.

I disagree completely with the philosophy of enlightened selfishness. I find it’s usually just a cover for those who want justification to be spiteful when they feel like it.

Life is not zero sum, and interactions are not always transactional. I’ve met people who see it that way, one of whom once asked a friend of mine why he was friends with someone else. “Because he’s my friend” wasn’t sufficient. “But why, you don’t get anything from him.”

It’s a sad way to live, and I pity those who think it blissful.

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That’s just wrong factually, so…like, you definitely get a lot from your close friends, even when you’re not conscious of it

Good emotions, shared experiences, shared understanding…all core values

Never heard of it. Besides, that’s just one side of the coin, what about the other which I presented in Edit 2? I believe the correct term is “relativity of selfishness/altruism” rather than enlightened any of them.

Chill man, I read lol, I just don’t usually respond to aggressive posts, or ones which are more ad hominem than actually subject matter.

Well this is just patently false. I think you mean to say rewards on a random schedule. And if you trace it back through our ancestry it makes sense, since in hunter/gatherer times, you would need a slow drip of serotonin whenever we engage with a variable pay off event such as foraging for berries or sealife, etc. This is why casinos work as well.

Also, have you never read some of the stuff blizzard has done in the past to boost profits? They make something like what I describe look like peanuts in comparison.

You realize your making a post just to say that the opinion I expressed in my point is neither here nor there, with little in the form of substance to back up why. It’s hard to construe this as anything other than an ad homimen construct.

?? you make an incredibly strong claim (100% certainty) of which you have not made any attempt to substantiate. I’m losing the thread here…

And where do you see the difference between the two in this case?

It’s dopamine, but sure, sounds like you do know the matter, which enhances my confusion

Well, not really. I was forced to read that patent, though, and it was explicitly made for Call of Duty and can’t possibly be applied here in its fullest (although, if it could be, your method with 5-6 steps above would probably be it). It also doesn’t really prove it works, lol.

I am sorry that you feel that way. I was clearly criticizing the flaws in your logic, which I don’t think is ad hominem attack at all. I did mention that I considered you better than that, so that might be construed as ad hominem, I admit, but it was never my intention to attack you as a person, so I appologize if I came off that way.

And this is just it, that’s why. I guess it all comes down to how you explain the difference with random matchmaking and variable reinforcement schedule.

It’s quite obviously a perfect 1 to 1 analogy that, by clicking Play, you are basically pulling the lever. You win and lose 50% of the time and when you’re going to win or lose is not known ahead of the time, you just know the distribution of it. It’s literally gambling, gambling with our time if nothing else, and it’s literally how the variable reinforcement schedule worked in its original experiment by BF Skinner.

I just don’t see how you’re supposed to crawl up from under this.

Big Bad Blizzard rigged you and you lost a game of Hearthstone. We all know that that one game of Hearthstone was the most important thing in your life. Poor baby. There there.

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“I lost bragging rights, noooo!!”

Tell me this isn’t the reason behind rigged match complaints without telling me.

It’s a FtP game, so nothing of material value is actually lost here, just ego

Oh, this again.

There is no horse left at this point

Oh come now, surely by now you’ve stopped expecting anything different from this community than being on repeat for years and years to come.

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It’s not this community but generally people being self centered. They have the delusion they are the best players in the world, so when they lose they can’t imagine that there was a “Fair Opponent” but it must have been a cheater or a rigging or a fluke.

Also you can’t expect to not discuss the same thing in the forum, because new people come and have the same old problem (apart from a few who never learn).

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