The arrogance of the ignorant… I caught you talking nonsense and now you doubled down the same stupid, just because you are not able to notice the signs that confirm 100 percent who is a bot and who is not, does not mean that it is impossible…
I am sure that my bot reports were 95% effective and would be 100 if it werent for the fact that at one point i deliberately started to report all the even shamans automatically whether they were humans or bots, because the amount was too much…
So you wanted to ban people from the game, that were innocent.
Why should we believe that you can be a good cheat detector?
Even the best cook burns the beans…
I dont work for blizzard so why not add something spicy to the task…
I have never blocked or reported anyone. As anyone who knows anything about cheating, the cheater always loses even when they win. Having to live with oneself and one’s actions is the ultimate price to pay, there’s nothing more that needs to be done.
I report multiple bought accounts on a daily basis. Don’t think it does anything though.
And you know they are bought how?
Bots aren’t identified solely by their name, not all bots use predictable naming conventions but a lot do. Quit with the disingenuous nonsense. You can’t defend team 5 allowing rampant botting at face value. so your calling people racist because they are annoyed by constant bot matchups in a multiplayer game? That’s ridiculous.
It’s not my responsibility if they have no proof. Finding an odd name is not proof and saying someone is a bot because their name is not in latin characters is genuinely borderline prejudice.
And I’m one of the last ones here to defend the devs on everything so that’s a strawman.
So let me get this straight.
You broke the rules, intentionally, by filing false reports…
… And are now upset that reports aren’t being taken seriously?
You are the physical manifestation of the Boy Who Cried Wolf. That’s an ish-you, not an ish-anyone-else.
Not completely false, that would have been malicious, simply without the total certainty of the fault committed, look, the method has certain requirements, like everything, and one of them is that you defeat them to see their way of conceding, i simply shorten the times and i assumed all of them as bots without complete check in…
Textbook prejudice. I won’t be surprised if the rest “actual” bots were also false positives.
Maybe you should be grateful for the work i did, this was a real problem for the wild community.
The endless wave of bots was what made Roffle quit the format.
The probability the reports weren’t totally ignored is very low.
Literally you, quoted verbatim:
You can’t claim “Benefit of the Doubt” when you fully admit to flagrantly disregarding the doubt.
Yes, it was. Which is why YOU are lucky those reports are meaningless. Again, the irony here is if this were a game with actual human moderation at any point, you would have been found to be intentionally and maliciously breaking the rules.
And for what purpose, again? “Well I don’t like playing against shamans.”
Best case for you here would be that you’re just trolling. Best case. Which is still against the rules, by the way. But at least you’d just be easily dismissed as largely irrelevant that way. The alternative is that you’re being purposefully malicious because you actually believe ends justify any means. That’s scary and I’m glad I don’t know you IRL.
If reporting bots is meaningless, then why does GnomeSayin make blue posts about the number of bots banned per month?
Are you saying that reporting bots does nothing and that Blizzard is lying about banning bots?
If they’re lying, then why should we give them money for the game that’s apparently riddled with bots?
And if nothing happens to botters, then why shouldn’t everyone just bot?
Yeah, pretty much.
Technically, I’m not saying that Blizzard is lying. But the vast majority of the accounts that they ban are either bots that have already completed the bot life cycle (that is, they’ve already been sold and discarded by their black market purchaser, because bots are for disposable Arena runs), or the banned account is a false positive (not a bot at all), which means that the numbers they post are mostly misses, not hits. It’s not quite lying but it is very misleading.
I’m also saying that bot reports are pretty much unusable. I wouldn’t go so far as to say that the average player can’t tell the difference between a bot and a real player, but the bottom 25% or so of the playerbase certainly cannot, either that or they’re malicious enough to false report people they know aren’t bots. As a business you can’t rely on an information source that’s about 20% (or even 10%) garbage to use as a basis for permanent bans — or at the very least it’s an extremely dumb idea.
I think maybe Blizzard is believing bot reports, because we’ve seen several threads of people who say that they were unjustly banned, and I reckon only about half of them actually deserved a ban. Blizzard’s war on bots is racking up significant collateral damage in the form of innocent victims.
Botting is very difficult to fight effectively, especially in a free to play environment. I personally think that the only solution is to add a small charge (say, $3.99 USD) per battle dot net account to be able to play Hearthstone. Black market botters compete against Blizzard for selling Arena drafts, so any amount significantly higher than the real money cost of 1 Arena run should suffice. I don’t think there’s any realistic way to have a truly free to play game without the threat of botting.
So you should give them money because that’s a solution to the problem.
Hopefully because you would be more ethical than your incentives require you to be. But other than that, honestly I got nothing.
They’re banning a lot of bots of a very specific kind. There are certain shady businesses that sell bots for Blizzard games in a relatively public manner; Blizzard can just go in and scoop them up and just detect them with battle net’s anti-cheat; there’s no much “humaning” involved other than the programmer giving the input to the anticheating software for automatic detection.
I haven’t seen myself advertisements for HS bots of that kind but I know for certain they exist for WoW and most probably some of them work on several games; there are also some legitimate software that are abused and they can be also be detected by ‘pattern recognition’ (e.g. legitimate software for mice that players abuse for autoclicking etc.).
Bots are always specific to the game. WOW bots have absolutely nothing to do with Hearthstone bots. Hearthstone bots exist to provide a black market alternative to purchasing Arena runs from Blizzard for real money; the bots actively compete for that business. It’s particularly hard to combat because the bot life cycle is short; the bot accounts being sold on the black market are designed to be one use disposable.
WoW was the example that shows they exist for gaming in general. But don’t be so sure some of them aren’t multipurpose.
Also when it goes to pattern recognition of abuse of (legit)input software: that software is not even game specific but general.
The problem in Hearthstone is disposable bots that farm gold in Ranked and are used by black market customers in Arena. Disposable bots are always the final evolution of botting because detecting and banning a disposable bot account doesn’t matter if the bot life cycle is already completed.