Welcome to internet troll logic where 10 games is a big enough sample size to prove rigging…
I played 15 games and depending on where you ‘start counting’ the TOO SMALL sample size, you would project different patterns.
First 10 did not have any of my high cost cards in hand for any of them.
2x7 mana refill
2xhealing Libram
And I was even running Tirion.
If you started counting after the 3rd game, I got Tirion on turn 8 top deck 1/4 times.
If you started counting after the 5th game, 1/10 games my 2 mana Libram spells were in the bottom 10 cards of my deck.
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Mmr dip from 3 losses means I start playing people with worse Winrates (Winrates are influenced by both player skill and deck choice)
This is why we don’t do science over an insignificant sample size like 10 games.
Over a span of 12 games, I thought I had found an amazing highlander hunter deck.
I’ve played double those games and lost more than I’ve won with that deck because it’s not actually very good, but it’s relatively easy to get misleading data on such a small sample size.
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Welcome to the Brawl pal,
I think it is enough for me on today on forum.
But firstly let me give you a little lecture,
-Data laws are multidisipline one. You may need law knowledge with coding and social relations too. And with thinking evil ways of private sector.
-People’s rights are more important than company’s interest on data obvervation in many countries. (And countries rights are more important than people’s right)
-Please read my previous answers for other points.
Facebook got one of very first fine because of data abuses of Facebook games. Should I add more answer on your nonsense dear Vol’jin?
Face hunter… literally the cheapest deck to make… without spending $$$…perfect example of pw2… doesnt always pay off
…mind going into a bit more detail? What specifically were these games doing that they were fined over? Do you see why I say that you seem to expect other people to have the relevant context to whatever you’re saying? The fact that Facebook was fined specifically over the actions of one of the games on Facebook seems like it’s pretty relevant.
But, regardless, more information would be appreciated. If the fine to Facebook was the result of a course case, then the name of that case would be greatly appreciated, otherwise, more specific information about the nature of the violation and what Facebook game was involved with it would also be greatly appreciated.
At this point I believe people are deliberately trying hard to miss the point I was trying to make.
But for the sake of this argument. Re read my posts.
I said it before 5 times . And here’s the sixth
The 10 games data sample is NOT ENOUGH if you want to proof rigging.
If you need a proof of rigging. Go read someone else’s posts.
My experiment and my post are Not aimed at you.
Okay… did you understand that?
Was I not being clear enough?
Good.
Now to the point of my post.
Many people say And believe the game is rigged. But actually don’t know how ?
As the posts aboves memes
He’s not wrong in those memes. People would do that.
So i made that posts which have three layers.
A- Card pull weight
B- Game is rigged.
C- blizzard manipulates the card pulls weights.
You have to accept these inputs for this 10 games experiment to work.
It’s built upon them.
If you don’t accept any of these 3 statements. Then there is no point to it.
If you want to argue with me and this post. Pick a level and a point to argue about.
If you dont agree with point A (Card pull weight) then don’t argue about point B and C It’s pointless as they are built upon their previous points.
Even if the game was rigged (it isnt) and you are right then what? Is Blizzard going to say you caught us and repent and fix it? Are you going to hire lawyers and sue? You hoping players quit the game? Why havent you quit the game? Who continues to play a game they think is rigged? Who bothers to make forum posts about it? Why not just move on to a new game? What is the endgame here?
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I am not Google, do your job, dude,
-I already quit.
-Blizzard may lose around %4 yearly gross income if the game rigged and it would only tip of iceberg. All of sponsorships, legal issues, e-sports etc etc will lead big breakup. Game is rigged but my personal opinion is there is a rogue personal’s job, not company’s decision. If they can clear this issue, everything would be normal.
Everything just started when they add too many RNGs.
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…I find that mildly ironic coming from you. Regardless, just googling “Facebook games sued” or “Facebook games fined” is far too broad. At least all of the first few links are leading to lawsuits that are CLEARLY not related to this thread. Many of them appear to be about facebook games which were tricking children into sharing their parents credit information.
You’re clearly behaving like somebody who is familiar with the subject of the laws companies must follow in regards to customer data, so could you save me what could be hundreds of hours trying to hunt down the specific lawsuit you were referencing and just give me the name of it?
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yes exactly that. Nothing from blizzard part.
BUT!!!
it’s not bad idea as the OP of this thread suggested. a way to get around such rigs. if we learn how it’s tics then we can avoid it.
So far if you want to climb in ladder fast. (you need skill duh)
and you need atleast 2 or 3 decks. and you need to switch and play between them.
Okay, Woox, I have completed 10 games with the list you gave. Here is all the recorded matches.
hsreplay.net/replay/jT3mwhZFjfFFBVWw5HuvWB
hsreplay.net/replay/YC2KM75ygUwAWuq8UYv5cH
hsreplay.net/replay/wXqChEk64zBfjrq7Vx7Wyc
hsreplay.net/replay/ujzzSxwCeyxR3gUriKpGBg
hsreplay.net/replay/7387afvoJb6wuZMY38jLPf
hsreplay.net/replay/AsdRGauz593KeMBVMHM9iD
hsreplay.net/replay/4baMKb8gjVo7nybMYn25pj
hsreplay.net/replay/jpWDaVB53jRKUQdwE4zfFj
hsreplay.net/replay/pWpZiAYrYww8dD2H6BQ6pG
hsreplay.net/replay/MKg7tJKDyhGhM5tXX8FdWV
Edit: made the change madmax mentioned below, so now the links should work.
You can use the Preformatted text tags to paste links without having to use spaces. It’s the </> button in the formatting bar.
Also, as an aside, I am currently 9-0 with my wild Reno Deathrattle Warrior. Yet despite being on such a win streak, even in my most recent match 6 out of the first 7 cards I drew cost 3 mana or less, despite 12 cards in my deck costing 5 or more.
Does this disprove the earlier claim about Blizzard weighing card draw? No, of course not, 9 games is simply not enough to observe any real trends, as you can’t filter out the random elements in such a small sample size.
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First thank you for doing this test. I will study the results once I get on my pc.
Warrior have different card weight values.
And it’s less of an issue for them. Cause they can mitigate the bad pulls with draws.
I used the paladin specifically cause it’s the most apparent there.
One important thing. So I take it that you don’t believe that card pull weight values exists in the first place. And each card is being pulled at 100% Random rate. And it doesn’t matter what mana cost it had and their effect have on the game.
Then there’s no point in going through that test in the first place as the current objective now is to prove that there is such things as card pull values. If you don’t agree with A there’s no need to go to B and C . As to you the entire argument is flawed from the start.
Bliz couldnt get nozdormu to work for like 18 months and you think they can somehow rig millions of games in real time to somehow get ppl to buy packs? Sane ppl who think the game is rigged quit the game. They dont buy packs. The entire logic of this entire thing fails.
ok the results went exactly as I thought they gonna go.
- First game = Bad hand (7 2 7 7 9 2 2) (win) probably cause you had good mmr going from previous decks.
(these are the mana cost numbers of each card you drew including mulligans ones till you reach 5/5 mana turn the midgame)
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second game ( 5 2 3 7 9 6 2 8 6 ) (win) (opponent concedes)
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3rd game (3 6 5 2 4 7 9 2 3 2 2 ) decent start but that [bad luck albatross] though. your draw are starting to normalize (lose)
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4th game ( 3 2 3 2 7 2 5 4 2 2) really good curve cause you lost but it didn’t matter you lost.
Good job holding your own btw. this deck is not optimized yet you hold up against that shaman. Galakron shaman really swings the game around.
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5th game ( 3 2 3 2 2 2 2 4 7) normalizing your curve and you (win)
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6th game ( 2 2 9 2 8 2 3 3…) also normal curve with the game giving you high cost card even after mulliging it. (win)
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7th game ( 7 2 7 8 5 9 3 5 2 7 ) Lose. you won now you got punished by drawing bad curve.
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8th game ( 2 2 2 3 5 2 2 ) oh you lose sorry here have a good curve (win)
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9th game ( 7 3 3 9 5 2 7 5 2 8 …) ops you won… here have bad curve (lose)
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10th game ( 3 2 2 7 2 2 7 4 9 2 …) decent curve with little hiccups (win)
This is the stuff I’m talking about. there results went as I predicted. and shows the game manipulate the car pulls values. you only at least (AT LEAST) not maximum. for this to be apparent. the more you play the better these results gets.
I had similar results with my paladin. and similar results with this deck.
you just demonstrated it .
what did you demonstrate or proved ?
that the game manipulate the card pull weights for you as a way to make you lose.
But if you go and say there is no such thing as card pull weight. then that’s an entire different argument. and this is invalid argument evidence for you.
(how can u argue and proof that ultraviolet and infrared colors exists if someone doesn’t believe in the color spectrum )
I wear a tinfoil hat every time that I play.
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How can you distinguish between a “non-rigged” bad draw and a “rigged” bad draw?
You have zero method to avoid false positives and are assuming EVERY single result is because of rigging, but it is inherent in a card game that you can draw good and bad.
The outcome of those games is completely explainable by an unrigged system, and this is the fundamental problem with a lot of these conspiracies. There is an addictive nature to the streaky-ness of card draw game’s because of how win streaks suck you in AND lose streaks.
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Not quite. I am agnostic to the idea that cards have pull weights. However, I do still disagree with your test, but that’s because with only 10 games, it is impossible to tell whether or not any pulls are the result of randomness or card weight.
I do not say this to discourage you, however. You have already put more effort in than every other rigging advocate. And if you’re able to encourage more people to conduct experiments or even manage to contact a data aggregate site so we can start crunching useful numbers, then I will walk away happy.
So don’t take this as me saying “we’ll never listen to you,” but rather, “bring samples large enough that we have no choice but to acknowledge you were right.”
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