if anyone uses deck tracker and plays BGs youll notice how often you get low % ties and losses(and wins). im talking all the time, nearly every BG. you should get good and bad luck every so often but this happens almost every game, multiple times which should be impossible unless you think 1 in the millions is normal for everyone
and this is just low % outcomes. the matchmaking, like standard, is impossibly fixed at times. often playing the top 3 builds multiple times ect. i get its free to play and they are trying to make money but its just ridiculous.
people are leaving the games in droves because of the rigging i and im about done with BGS which is the only reason i still play hearthstone
doesn’t mean it will not happen. also if you distribute the probability over all games being played no matter how small the probability, it “will” happen. because tens of thousands of games are going on at any given time. it will even happen multiple times in a row because the probabilities are mostly independent of each other. so your reasoning actually shows you got some bad luck, but you can take comfort in it isn’t rigged. because if the results you got didn’t happen sometimes to someone, that would be proof of rigging.
i dont think you understand how odds work. this happens nearly every BG. luck isnt supposed to be predictable and happen every game thats about impossible. this isnt over 10 games. its over 100s.
i have played several card games and none of them has had this issue to this extent. gwent, MTG, pokemon, ect. nothing even comes close to the the bad “rng” ive experienced in hearthstone
i get what you’re saying, but it is just your perception of your experience. firstly, i don’t believe it happens as often as you are saying, i believe you have confirmation bias, and are disregarding the times it didn’t happen. you can’t make a sweeping statement that the game is rigged based on your experience alone. over time, playing 8 hours+ a day, you will never play enough games on your own to get a thorough sample size to prove that claim. so we disagree, sorry.
its not though. like ive said ive played multiple card games. hearthstone is the only card game ive played where you can predict your luck and consistently get bad luck like its clock work.
its not like this is me just saying it. i watch kripp from time time to time and this same thing happens to him. ive got 7500is rating when i actually tried to increase my rating and the same thing happened(quit because it wasnt fun doing that). im not some noob whose played 20 games.
let’s just agree to disagree, we both feel we’re right, and it seems neither of us is open to changing our mind. So good luck with that, hope the game quits persecuting you soon. good gaming to you.
I would imagine that the deck tracking software may not be so great at actually predicting outcomes. The assumptions built into the code may not factor certain things into account. It may be more of a rough guess/ estimate.
My dude here is a walking, talking case of perception bias.
I however, believe in your intelligence my dude. It’s very simple: make a video stream and predict with full certainty which minions will attack which ones in every round of battlegrounds. Prove us all wrong.
Like clockwork, right? I will even ascertain the stream myself. You will probably gain a ton of money from game journalists interviews proving Blizzard runs an algorithm you can predict.
At the max, it’s a half an hour affair. C’mon. Bonus points if you can predict which minions bob will have in the tavern each round.
Riddle me this, Batman: if a game of Battlegrounds lasts ten turns (before YOU are eliminated) and one tenth of 100% is 10%, how many 10% bad beats can you expect to suffer over the course of ten games, assuming no rigging and complete randomness?
The answer is “ten and take off the tinfoil hat already.”
The Battlegrounds matchmaking algorithm is bad, and it should feel bad. I don’t think it’s rigged really, I just think it’s… stupid. Really, really stupid. But I think you might have the problem precisely backwards. I think it’s too random. It should be more rigged, in a direction that’s more fair (“round robin” matchmaking) and less random.
No, they have apophenia. Or as I like to call it, Schizophrenia Lite™. If you can learn to ignore the stupid voice in the back of your head making the crazy conspiracy theories, do that. If you can’t, seek professional help.
the deck tracker software is right all the times I used it.
Never have I seen a community so eager to claim that not only is a for-profit company (and they all hire more social engineers than developers) would never make rng exploitative, but so eager to then insult the intelligence of those with basic pattern recognition (which you have none of).
you either work for the company, or you are childish and foolish.
The answer is most likely you are both.
The matchmaking is clear. deck tracker shows you probabilities. never is any fight 50/50, most fights up up until round 4 or so are 100% win or loss, then they get to around 90% win or loss, then around 70% loss with 90% lethal, etc.
Past a certain turn, the first place will be matched with the lowest place on a losing streak, and it will always be lethal. Nothing here is random.
The above reply I made is for you as well. Though insisting people are “schitzophrenic” like you are a soviet commissar is something else; but I will warn that smugness or ignorance didn’t save any of them either. your curses are returned back to whence they came.
Calling apophenia “mental illness” is like calling mild obesity a “disease.” I don’t mean like 900-pound, “how do they use a toilet?” obesity, I mean standard plus size stuff. Although it’s not exactly conducive to physical health, it’s not like one is exceptionally unwell just because they’ve put on a few extra pounds. “Below average health,” perhaps, but they’ve got plenty of company — double-digit percentages of the population are overweight.
In the same way, it feels like a bit of an exaggeration to call people who experience apophenia “crazy.” Less mentally healthy than average, perhaps. But double-digit percentages of the population see conspiracy theories in everything (and on both sides of the political aisle, if that matters). It’s not weird, unfortunately.
But I do question the wisdom of being utterly silent, of self-censoring, because a particular kind of wrong I notice happens to be a fairly normal and fairly mild variety of wrong. If I heard a friend who’s gotten fatter recently say they’re going to McDonald’s, I wouldn’t hesitate to ask them “so you can get a heart attack on a bun?” And it’s in that half-joking spirit that I refer to apophenia as “schizophrenia lite.” Emphasis on the lite. I don’t actually think you’re full blown looney tunes. But I think if nobody says anything, in not too long we collectively will be.
Although…
…if you really believe this, you might be crazier than I’m comfortable believing.
Please Mr. Magician, tell me you’re saying that because you actually calculated the odds and not because who the deck tracker said has the highest chance of winning won.
Because if you tell me you’re calculating the odds on later battlegrounds rounds I’m gonna call you a liar, and if you’re telling me the deck tracker is right because the guy with the higher chance won, I will bail out of the discussion on the basis of this being the dumbest argument I’ve ever heard.
Dunning-Kruger is a hell of a drug. If you were up to speed with the actual argument, instead of deluding yourself you’re the only sane person capable of adding up companies could do nefarious things, this wouldn’t even be a point.
The rigging i dont know about though i do have my suspicions lol.
I would rather use the word “predictable” as it is a bit less controversial.
BG rng events are predictable with a higher accuracy then standard random events.
People leaving the mode in droves i doubt but the mode has started to slowly die i feel.
The community is really small and its not growing. Vieuwer numbers of streams are also slowly dropping at least it is the impression i get (not sure if actually true). And some streamers are playing less bg now and more other games,even comparable games like tft.
Some other things i notice with myself as well,i dont have the drive to play well anymore and think about what i play. It is mostly play on autopilot now and after a few games i get bored. Already waiting for the next update sort of while the old update is not that old.
It probably is natural that the peak is behind us now in BG and its not the end of the world either but its still a bit sad. It will be a slow and steady decline and the game will enter its niche.
First of all deck tracker is not always correct, and many people know this.
Second, from my experience people don’t know the basics of theory of chances.
If you talk about for example 5% chance to lose as a mentioned low %s, and if there were for example 4 battles where you had 5% chance to lose throughout the game, then you have 18% to lose at least 1 of these battles. How to calculate this: 1-(1-0,05)^4 = 18,5. 0,05 means 5% here.
So basically when there are a lot of possibilities for unlikely events then you will much likely see some of them.
And it’s a common thing about hearthstone. There is so much random stuff here, each of this staff has a little chance to show up, but you will always see at least something. That’s how chances work.
This is completely true, a recent census of the global population found that over half of the childish and foolish people in the world are employed by Blizzard.