Between the terrible new system and the meta consisting of the other half, I don’t think hearthstone has ever been so unenjoyable to me. Last expansion was so good in terms of balance. It’s impressive how they managed to ruin everything.
Don’t forget about the mini-set that’s coming, which, to me, looks more like a cash grab instead of a way to make a fresh meta
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i never understood why some people didnt like a meta with so many viable classes
so they flooded the forums asking blizzard to destroy it …
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I mean was any of them really alive. It always boiled down to use this deck or do not play.
…was it really? Shamans and locks have mostly been bad throughout, just like now. Priests were a bit better in the first week when it happened to have some good matchups which didn’t last long as decks like aggro rogue emerged and DH refined their decks.
Note that we’re about a month into the new expansion. At the same time last expansion, people would be complaining about guardian druid or aggro rogues which had play rates rivaling DH right now.
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Agreed, at least when the expansion launched, before any nerfs went live.
Last expansion almost every class had a deck that was playable.
Guardian Druid, zoo warlock, small spell mage, highlander priest, bomb warriorr, soul dh, highlander hunter and stealth rogue were all viable decks.
So every class, but shaman, had a deck that’s at least tier 3.
Then the nerfs hit and the first 3 decks were destroyed, the classes got nothing new, and that’s basically where we are at today.
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Because most people don’t have the resources to build multiple meta decks, and the meta decks recently are especially good at curbstomping homebrews and half-meta deck stuff because of synergy creep.
The power swing turns for various decks really defined the meta and that’s rough for a lot of people that like to try to build more “balanced” (i.e. not polarized) decks.
Not defending the sentiment, just explaining it.
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I agree on shaman, they are in a way better spot today and that’s great.
Zoo Warlock was the best deck for almost 2 weeks, tho. Before they nerfed Darkglare.
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I agree. The current Team 5 has turned this game into a complete mess.
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Last meta a bunch of classes were seeing play but the meta got so much towards aggro that was complete BS. Now same story again, seems that the game just becomes faster and faster every new expansion. Soon you’ll be dead by turn 2. I think it’s time to increase hero hp to 35 or 40 or simply stop making good 1 drop cards, better just stay away from them to be safe.
the last meta before the new year is always crazier as some card designs keep in mind that supporting cards are rotating in a few months, the set will also be around for a shorter time so its possible to try out card designs they wouldnt include if they would be around for 2 whole years
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Its this “trying out card designs they wouldnt include if they would be around for the whole 2 years” or rather “trying out card designs” in general that is the problem.
Trying out should be done internally or with the help of streamers/pro players but not in the maingame itself.
Off course they have to try out a few things in the main game as well but they do it to much it feels. The game becomes a clown fiesta and by the time nerfs are in its already 2-4 weeks during which the meta was horrible. Its not enjoyable for budget players when they craft 1 decent deck that then is good for 2-4 weeks and then blizzard “trys out something” which make you need completely new decks.
The mage nerfs 2-4 weeks ago now killed the whole meta. They still have some good designs like etc but they killed mage for no single reason.
In the end all of this wouldnt even be that much of a problem and its probably still not a huge problem for players who got all cards so that they can go with every turn of the tide the game takes but the game has lost its apeal for all players who are somewhat on a budget,not even neccesarily f2p but like spending 50/expansion. Its not enough anymore to keep up and the cards that you did craft and which where good at a certain point seems to somehow lose their value and viability faster then ever before.
In the end the way this game is beeing monetized is the biggest reason for its decline in popularity. It slowly pushes out all players who are willing to spend a pretty decent amount of 100-150/year.
I dont know what blizzard marketing dudes are thinking tbh,do they really think that a player who used to spend 100-150 a year can be pushed to spending 300 a year? No that player wont ever do that,100-150 a year is already a lot of money for that type of players and they are already on the fence if they should keep spending.
Then when they make the game in such a way that spending 100-150 is not enough anymore to fully enjoy the game because of new cards and broken things all the time,which then get nerfed 2-6 weeks later so that you will need other decks and cards again. This mechanic of releasing op things and then nerf them 2-6 weeks later,something new is needed and then that is nerfed another 4 weeks later and 2 weeks after that there is a mini expansion which makes you need different cards again. This has been the design patern for the past 2-3 expansions.
It makes it so that to enjoy the game continiously you need virtually all the cards and legendarys so that you can go with the flow every 2-6 weeks it changes.
I dont even care that much tbh,i dont play much and i can craft my single deck that i like and be happy with it for the 2-4 weeks that it is viable but i can see this beeing a big turn of for most players who are on a budget but still willing to spend a pretty decent amount if that would be enough to enjoy the game continiously instead of only during small windows of time during which the cards that they have are viable.
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i sugest you watch this video, then it might be clearer why trying out new card concepts is a good thing:
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You know that most of the time you not need every single deck that pops as tier 1 right?
You also know that the “tier 4” is actually around 40% Winrate and by consequence not as terrible as some people make it appear.
That to not say that player itself can have to decks Winrate variations around 5% to 10% depending on the decks.
In other words what is happening is on the verge of " acceptable" and changes are almost sure for when the tournament ends too.
With that said I would love to tournaments not use the same patch as us so they could still play in this patch while we already would have had changes already.
people will just complaint about anything.
Sadly there has never been a meta where all classes were competitive but I’ve been playing since naxxramas and last expansion had one of the healthiest metas I can remember, at least before they started nerfing cards because either they were too powerful in wild or too complained about without actually compensating the classes for what they lost (see warlock and mage)
you dont see me complaining often but sometime i feel need to speak out.
About good things in this game like bg i never ever complain btw and i always praise it but ok.
My remark is not even a real complaint,personally i havent really cared for constructed for over 1 year now. Its more of an observation.
Also,the moment the complaints have left the forum that is the momemt blizzard should get worried. People who complain still care,when they stop complaining because they dont care anymore then its time to get worried about the future of the game though then it will be to late as well.
Dont be dismissive of compaints about the game,it doesnt help jagex nor the game to deny things that are in a rought state.
Better listen to my “complaint”. Yes its good to try out new things i will take that back. But the way in which blizzard has done so for the past year. Release op stuff,nerf it 4 weeks later,have something new op,nerf that 4 weeks later and so on. That is not good for the game,its not good for the vast majority of players who cant afford to keep up with new decks dominating every month. Then you get complains like “halve the classes is not viable”. Players with all the cards they dont care so much for this,they can go with the flow with every nerf and update. But the people who spend a bit less,they cant keep up and then they leave the game while complaining about balance.
You either see this and understand the connection or you dont, take this or leave this i dont really care. But dont paint me as a person who complains about everything because that is not what i do. The only thing i sometimes “complain” about is that game is rigged lol but that is more for fun and giggles then serious. My above “complaint” (or rather observation since personally i dont mind it as i barely play) is somewhat serious feedback.
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Amen. they’ve destroyed Standard mage and the thing is that Mage wasn’t that good before the nerfs. It was clunky and complicated to play.
My opinion is that this expansion proves Team 5 has no idea what they are doing. DH is busted YET AGAIN, because the class is too good and should never have been invented.
The meta is complete garbage with four dead classes.
The rewards system is a greedy, miserable time sink
All in all a complete failure on every level by the so called “experts”.
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yet these very forums demanded that the nerf to evocation and solarian wasnt enough, and that they should have been nerfed more
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Here’s one thread complaining about Mage AFTER the Solarian nerf.
Yes, plenty of fools just love the “only face is allowed” meta.
Yeah we talked about that. Players shouldn’t be listened to on card designed huh?
But I think the tourney players had more influence on the nerfs than anyone.