If it’s not bound together by the and word, then do you care to explain what is given to each ?
Because there’s only one 1 Atk written in the hero power text. If the minion and hero are not bound by that and, then the sentence doesn’t make sens.
You’re literally saying that the “and” word doesn’t bound two parts of a sentence together
And I’m supposed to be the one having trouble reading
yes you still are. look at the comparison i made with spells. that is the way it would have to be written if it was bound together
Your comparison to spells is based on a singular game mechanic. There are more ways than explicitely writting that they are bound together for them to be bound together.
Sorry but I’ll have to teach you some english since you skipped conjunction class.
“Deal 1 damage to all ennemies” obviously binds them in the same effect.
“Deal 4 damage on an ennemy, and 1 to all the others” makes the clear distinction.
“Deal 1 damage to an ennemy, and 1 to all the others” makes an unnecessary distinction
Deal 1 damage to an ennemy and all others" removes that unnecessary distinction
Removing that distinction is what binds the initial target and the non-targeted together
With the last wording, if you amplify the effect, you are bound to amplify both
Anyway I muted you, have fun trolling the others
thanks! so sad to see you so idiotic on this thread while you have good reasoning on others
Derkan the groovy cats text does say “your hero power gives your hero 1 more attack this game” so there is a distinction that the effect only adds to the attack of the hero.
Why should this distinction be disregarded?
What you are describing is why it didn´t work until they updated it because the text reads “give a friendy minion and you hero +1 attack this turn”. The minion got the +1 then it gave it to the hero.
Either they should change the text on groovy cat and remove the your hero part or it should give minion +1 and hero (1+buff).
According to your reading of the cards then Tar Slick and Falling Stalactite should deal double damage to the hero aswell but they don´t.
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Because Artanis says “give a friendy minion and you hero +1 attack this turn”. Another way of reading this is “give a friendly minion and your hero the same additional attack this turn”. Groovy Cat changes that additional attack.
No, between Tar Slick says “minions take double damage”, not “damage against minions is doubled”. That means Falling Stalactite still does 3 damage to minions, even though the minion takes 6. The outgoing damage doesn’t change, the incoming damage does. There’s a clear distinction (which is why it’s written this way).
and that´s where you´re wrong kiddo
I get how you read it I just think we put emphasies on different things.
For me the give your hero something is separate from just give artanis hero power 1 more attack.
As it is now the separation they did from Free Spirits text is useless and should just read, Your Hero Power gives 1 more attack this game.
Or they should change it as you wrote it before with “Give artanis (1+buff) attack and give that much attack to a minion”
Unfortunately this actually disproves your point because groovy cat says your hero power gives your hero 1 more attack ie your hero receives 1 more attack from your hero power in which case, using your same logic the hero power gives +1 attack, your hero receives +2. The outgoing attack buff shouldn’t change but the incoming buff to your hero should. However the way groovy cat is programmed is that it increases the +attack buff number of your hero power by 1 which based on the wording of Artanis’ hero power should give that buff to both the minion and the hero.
So while I agree with Artanis’ hero power is correctly buffing both targets based on how groovy cat works. Groovy cat is the one that is actually worded incorrectly for how it works, it should read as: Your hero power gives +1 extra attack this game. On a side note this technically also does fix another unrelated issue with the wording because technically as it is currently worded if you are not a druid and summon a groovy cat your hero power should give your hero 1 attack whenever you use it because other hero powers (except demon hunter) give your hero 0 attack and since groovy cat reads to give 1 more attack, other hero powers should technically give your hero 1 attack, but I digress.
So ultimately Artanis is working correctly for how groovy cat is programmed but at the same time groovy cat is not worded correctly for how it is actually programmed.
No, it doesn’t. There is no “incoming buff”. Groovy cat doesn’t say “deal more damage”. It does just as advertised, giving you 1 more attack if you use your Hero Power. Your attack actually goes up, which is why cards like “Lost in the Park”, “Savagery” and “Spread the Word” synergize with Groovy Cat.
I disagree. Yes, we are heading into the world of semantics here, I know.
While “Your hero power gives +1 extra attack” would bring it more in line with cards like Fallen Hero (which says “Your Hero Power deals 1 extra damage”), it would however result in the example you’re giving. For Fallen Hero to work, your Hero Power must already deal damage. With “gives +1 extra attack” it would mean that it’s on top of your ordinary Hero Power. The word “more” however implies your Hero Power already must give Attack for it to work.
Well, yes. Free Spirit gives your Hero Power 1 more Armor and Artanis’ Hero Power doesn’t give Armor, only Attack. So, I’ll assume you mean Groovy Cat instead of Free Spirit.
If it was the first one, Raynor (if they’d get their hands on a Groovy Cat), would be able to abuse it, since his Hero Power gives +2 Attack. So, that’s a bad idea.
As for the second, yes, maybe if they had made the description “Give your hero and a friendly minion +1 Attack this turn and Divine Shield”, there would be less confusion.