Game is pay to win now?

Because you’re ____ and think so high of yourself that you can’t exit the forums because of how big your head is ?

Can someone remind him why he’s asking rank 20 players on why he’s wasting time arguing with rank 20 players ?

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I remember seeing those standings. That raises the question; what do you think it does for your argument on the topic at hand?

F2Per hits legend multiple times
F2Per claims a 40 game best for the 4-L grind
F2Per clams game is P2W???

Do you not see how you yourself are evidence that F2Pers can indeed be competitive?

That said, I am cautious going forward if the 35 card adventure thing is to become normal, but we dont know enough about it yet.

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miracle, someone on this forum with a brain !

ask them, they started with all the “you need to play better”, “kiddo” etc…

i’m far from being competitive, especially at the beginning of an xpac when there are so many cards (mostly tech ones)/decks that i’d like to try but can’t but that’s not my point
all i’m saying is p2w players have an advantage and it’s impossible to get all the cards for free but somehow, some people still deny the truth

it will depend on the sales, i guess but if we follow their logic, it’s going to be a normal thing (3 adventures=>2 adventures/1 xpac=>3 xpac+free adventures=>3xpac+3 adventures with standard cards, it’s always getting more and more expensive) + the new heroes (which will also depend on how many people buy sylvanas)

You’re not entitled to all cards for free dude. So it being impossible is a non issue. Game would…you know die if no one paid into it and your cosmetics only idea is ridiculous and would never fly for a CCG so don’t even bring that stupidity up.

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TIL being in the right place at the right time constitutes “Having a brain”. What a novel concept. Maybe if I stand in Times Square long enough I’ll eventually win the Nobel Prize? :thinking:

of course, 100% isn’t needed but if you have 60% or 80% instead of 45ish%, you can play several decks, make any tech card you need etc…it’s better than nothing

well, they’re putting some new heroes in the shop therefore it’s not that stupid, it’s a good start

right place at the right time? what are you even talking about?

I’m talking about being on the forums during a time when those standings were publicly available, because apparently being on the forums at the right place and the right time constitutes “having a brain”, and because apparently that’s the only way to know whether you’re telling the truth.

You already can though. See the link I posted earlier in the thread. You can obtain 75% of the cards in each set from 100 packs, which is perfectly achievable as long as you grind daily quests.

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See, I dont like this stat, never have. It only tells half the story. Yes, your 100 packs will get you 75% of cards. BUT it requires another 100+ to get 100%. Its a misleading stat that shouldnt be used in a vacuum when determining set completion ratio.

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I can agree the number can be misleading. That said I don’t think a soley f2p player should be getting much over half a set to begin with if they play for years without contributing. Hard to muster up a tear for them frankly. Not you obviously as you have paid before, but I mean like dedicated f2p 100%. How much should blizz just give to you when you don’t contribute money wise? 50% or 60% seems about fair to me.

I agree, and probably wouldn’t use this stat in a regular debate because only ~30-40% of a set is likely to see meaningful play anyways. The only reason I’ve been using this statistic is to counter Shakou’s earlier (and unsubstantiated) claim that 100 packs will only get you 40% of a set. They brought this up again just now, so I brought mine back up.

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Im not gonna disagree with ya. I have not expected to get anywhere near as many cards since I went f2p a couple of years ago as I did when I was spending a decent amount of cash. I just hate how black & white some people look at set completion percentages. 75% of 100 packs? Sure, but another ~30 is not getting you anywhere near 100%, which is what that stat implies in a vacuum.

Yeah I agree the 75% figure doesn’t tell the whole story no argument there. And like you said at a certain point you get massively diminishing returns. Not to mention most of a set isn’t viable to begin with so even if you hit 75% technically it doesn’t mean you can make multiple competative decks.

Its human nature to gravitate toward people that are similar to yourself. Thats why females spend more time with females. Males with males. If you’re on a college campus (lol you in college) you’ll notice students with similar ethnic backgrounds spend more time in a group with each other than not. Its psychology.

In your case to answer your question, you spend time with rank 20 players because you’re rank 20 :blush:

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we’re talking about a whole year lol, not just a day or an hour

+memory

exactly, that’s why serious websites always use dust as % instead of % of cards

buying skins isn’t contributing?

indeed, most people forget that you need to de 4 legendaries to craft the one you want

who’s struggling with maths, you or me?

remind me how many hct points you had?
edit: btw, some people here have a working memory, are they liars?

I said “soley” f2p that wouldn’t include skin buyers. Anywho if you have been playing for years without paying no I don’t think you should be able to get most of a set for nothing.

WTF, Blizzard is not giving us the game for free and developpers are not working all week without getting payed !
That world is disgusting !

mhhhh fair enough

the gaming world doesn’t have to be p2w, all the other popular games aren’t (lol,dota2,fortnite,cs:go,gta5,mw etc…), fifa is, wow…it’s debatable, you can buy tokens to buy golds to buy crafted items but the best loots are from mm raids and arenas so…

You? You clearly have issues managing your gold. You’ll get better though the more you play :+1:

Are you asking if I’ve reached legend or participate in tournaments? Neither. I’ve gotten close but the season was close to ending and i became bored with the deck i was using.

What does this even mean?

the maths show that you can’t get everything without paying but somehow, you can’t understand that 2+2=4 but i’m struggling with maths?

wait, you’ve never reached legend in almost 6 years? not even once? and you dare to say nonsense like “You’ll get better though the more you play”, really?

read the dinosaur’s post again

The argument was that you can make any deck you want, like say, a meta deck. It wasn’t about “getting everything.” So yes.

I mean yeah. I can admit that lol i don’t know why you’re having a hard time doing the same. I The thing is, you just can’t admit that you were lying. When asked for proof, you ignored me, and then constantly deflected. Everyone who reads this thread will see that lol

I’m not… seeing a dinosaur? Feel free to point it out