Game balance is garbage -- Meta netdecks or don't even bother

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I’ve tried a bit of ranked this season since apparently they’ve “gone back to their roots”.
I’m not sure how that’s the case, when the same 2-3 netdecks keep popping up. Even though the people piloting them are incompetent, making questionable plays multiple times per game, their cards and the level of synergies that some decks have just allow for braindead wins.

I can’t make my own decks using the rares that I’ve accumulated, because without the 4-5 specific legendary cards, I’ll just get run over.

I stopped playing your game back when cubelock absolutely destroyed the meta, but things are not much better now. There are still so many decks that have a 95% chance to win against non-meta decks.

I’ve tried playing around with some of the new murloc cards (Blizzard questionably removed a bunch of stuff into the “Hall of Fame” even though so many of the newer cards absolutely destroy murloc shaman).

I’ve tried playing around with the Chef Nomi card, which is one of those “you’ll lose 4 games, but have a fun win in your 5th” card.

  1. I have no clue why you even bother creating cards like that. It dilutes the legendary pool, making it harder to get the cards that ACTUALLY work.
  2. When I do get my combo off, people insta concede unless they will just kill me the next turn since you don’t get the reward immediately, even though it took you the whole game to set it up. So either way, I don’t get the satisfaction of pulling it off.

This is clearly some sort of ploy to have people spending money to purchase packs, but I won’t do it. I’m already getting packs for RoS that are full duplicates, even though I’ve only opened about 20. But if the white/blue cards are absolute trash, I’ll need to open another 200 or so decks before I can even begin to make ONE playable meta deck.

This game is way too expensive to keep up with, and I don’t understand why you bother creating cards that will get absolutely demolished by all the expensive cards.

High rarity cards should be providing niche twists on decks, giving decks flavour and specific win conditions. You shouldn’t be required to own at least 5 specific ones, just to have a chance to compete at the absolute lowest rank. I’ve seen legend cardbacks at rank 19, piloting netdecks. Is this really going to be your business model?

With elder scrolls legends, I’ve opened a bunch of great cards in 10 packs, and can put together something fun and functional with the limited collection that I have. Legendaries help, but do not just instantly invalidate the opponent’s chances. Gwent, again, I’ve opened a bunch of kegs, and been able to put together a fun and playable deck, where I can win vs other decks if I play smart.

Here, we have Bomb Warrior, with infinite mech value, tons of armour, tons of damage, tons of healing. Nice job balance team.
Speaking of mechs… How about that Zilliax… the card that’s played in EVERY SINGLE DECK. Really smart balance – I would expect no less from a company like Blizzard which allows broken stuff to remain for months on end before potentially addressing any changes (see GOATs and the failing OWL league viewership).

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Yeah been Watching Toast, Allies, Kripp and Kibler. Kibler currently doing the best but watching the pros also getting a little flustered with the RNG (tada! how’s that for luck!) or going hmm - this matchup is so bad not even worth playing it.

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according to theriddler, you can be top 1 legend by playing an hour a month because you get 99% of the each xpac by opening 20 packs, it’s not expensive !

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What I have actually said is…

A) A player can easily earn 8,000 to 10,000 gold by only playing about 2-3 hours a week
B) That 8-10K gold can be used to buy 70-80 packs when a new set is released
C) Those 70-80 packs can be combined with all the freebies a player gets during an expansion cycle (3 months)
D) And A+B+C will always give the player around 85% of the cards in every expansion set
E) And a player with 85+% of the cards in every expansion will be able to easily and effectively play the game both casually and competitively at any level they desire to play it.

And I’m right.

Now - if for some reason a person falsely believe that they “must” have 100% of the cards in every set? That person will have a challenge because the acquisition curve on that last 15% is very steep.

And if a person finds that last 15% too onerous in time or cost? They just need to cowboy up and deal with it … or learn to be happy with the 85%+ they can get easily for free because they don’t really need that last 15% to play competitively or casually.

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Let’s not start with straw people.

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I wanted to highlight this because earlier in your post you complain about how expensive it is to build good decks. Do you know HOW Blizzard could keep the cost of decks low? By making strong neutral cards that can fit into a lot of decks.

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Welcome to card games.

Meta strategies in constructed formats are a constant in EVERYTHING from Magic to Shadowverse.

Sounds like you need to make some friends who will agree to use suboptimal decks against you in private matches.

Or play Arena.

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TC must be new to card games because of the title
or he would know all card games have a meta there is no way to avoid it

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I always love when people go “well other card games are retarded so this one should be too” This game is sold on being fun and simple and is work super hard to be neither. Why not have this one be the different one and you know actually be simple and fun instead of another BS fest.

At this point the card design and matchmaking are pure incompetently design garbage. So if everything other game gets that way then it’s ok to not even try to actually be good. I don’t know what is sadder. The path this game is on or the people that mindless defend it

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You find any form of meta whatsoever to be “retarded”?

All your entire post is, is a bunch of hyperbolic vitrol that does nothing other than display your complete lack of knowledge about how CCGs work, how impossible it is to achieve a perfect 50% balance for every single card/synergy/deck in the game and ultimately just comes across as you saying “everything should just be able to be how >>I<< want it!!”.

Nonsense.

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It’s more of an acknowledgement of mathematics, facts, common sense, and actual reality.

You’re (essentially) like a little kid stomping around screaming, “No other CCG in the world will give me a real Unicorn! I demand that Hearthstone be the CCG that gives me my real Unicorn!”

That fact that Unicorns don’t actually exist isn’t registering in your head, for some reason. The rest of us long ago understood and accepted the fact that Unicorns aren’t real and that it is patently absurd to stomp around demanding one.

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I find half the game downright insulting to my intelligence it’s so god damn stupid. Especially how to keep repeating the same stupid crap over and over.

Warrior - How anyone can call bomb warrior anything but retarded would amaze me. How anyone on the dev team thought this was a good idea amazes me.

Shaman - I want to complain about murlocs, but its one of those things no matter how stupid it gets and how sick we get of it will never go away. So how about Haggatha. Since the deathnight garbage they haven’t made one competent designed hero card. Just rename it F- you and be over with it.

Rogue - You could probably write a novel about all the stupid broken crap in theis class. How about Shark? So much broken toxic BS from that one card alone. So many ways to abuse it.

Paladin - Pushing secrets again. Every meta they do this and every meta it is just such a miserable experience to play against. Maybe by year 20 they will get a clue

Hunter - Almost rivals Rogue in the level of stupid. I almost don’t want to complain because I am so happy that the spell and secret hunter from the last meta are gone. Actually I am not going to only because my biggest complaint against them is a game wide one that fits a few classes

Druid - Did they really need to destroy ramp to push this token garbage? Oh, we also have healing, yeah we can overdo lifesteal even more. I’m fine with having stuff like token, but don’t take away stuff like ramp to do it. I have no interest in playing ramp of healing and it looks like is just nothing else worth doing with this class now

Warlock - I’m already at the point where I just concede on sight. Handbuffing, cards that vomit out 1/1’s so it’s knife juggler every match, and pure stupid cards like grim ralley. I’ll take the time and spend on something more enjoyable like hitting myself in the temple with a hammer.

Mage - Way, way too many extra spell damage cards now, the +2 hero damage and hit three targets are just pure stupid

Priest - I’ve always considered this to just be the troll class. I don’t want to complain because no matter how stupid and broken it gets it feels like the class is just going to just be a giant F you. Mass hysteria can’t rotate out fast enough though.

There is one things for each class. Game wise in general, still plenty of messes. Magnetic can’t rotate out fast enough. Why not just give all mechs charge? Oh, because everyone figured out how broken that mechanic is so they had to hide shoving more in.

Echo, overkill and twinspell are all pretty stupid too, but little of it is really broken. How about instead of coming up with a stupid gimmick every expansion either try actual good game play or maybe, maybe finally after all of these years semi-competent matchmaking? That alone would solve so many problems with the game

Enough for you?

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I don’t play other card games. Hearthstone used to be so good. Why turn it to garbage because other games are garbage. Why not keep it being a good game? Called me a child for asking that doesn’t actually answer anything. I’m sure if anyone actually gave a crap they could keep this being a good, fun, accessible game it used to be. Consistently putting in more broken crap just to sell new expansions probably isn’t needed. I’d imagine it would actually sell better if it didn’t work so hard to chase casuals away

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You know, it’s real easy to just sit back and call absolutley everything stupid rather than offer anything even remotely constructive.

What would you like to see? I don’t mean just things you’d like to see gone but what type of cards or effects do you think would be awesome and not stupid?

At this point, I’m fairly positive you’re trolling anyway since all you seem to be capable of doing is hating absolutely everything when in all honesty, the game isn’t any more “stupid” than it’s ever been in the past, probably even less so now with Mammoth gone.

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Well, not to point too fine a point on it, but I reject your premise. Hearthstone hasn’t really changed that much. I’ve played it since the day it came out, and it is still fundamentally the same. The game didn’t change. You did.

And there’s nothing wrong with that. People change over time. Things they enjoyed one year they turn around and find they aren’t interested in another year. That’s life.

I didn’t call you a child. I said that your argument is like a child’s. There’s a difference. Adults make childish arguments all the time.

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I feel you man.

I’m someone who loves playing selfmade decks but it feels like the devs are trying their best to make it harder and harder not to play certain archetypes since a lot of cards can only be ranked as “obviously really good” and “obviously unplayable”. There are a few exceptions but I actually feel my own patients running low seeing how many netdecks I face in Constructed Regular Play mode. So far, 3 out of 4 Standart decks I play are my own versions of currently played metadecks which kinda makes me sad :-/ Yes, I teched out and experimented with the recipes but in the end it feels a little pointless when even Blizzard’s own deckbuilder automatically shows you the best results on its own.

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Zilliax, Leeroy Jenkins, and Alexstrasza say hello.

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I play almost exclusively janky home brews, and I’m having a blast this meta.

Maybe OP just isn’t good at deckbuilding?

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That is why i made to rank 5 with a hand rogue deck and a friend did take it for the climb to legend.

But okay…
Think whatever you want.

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Exactly my point. The OP was complaining that decks are too expensive, but then ALSO complained that some cards are “auto-includes” in a ton of decks. My point was trying to highlight that these two complaints are at odds with one another. If it came off like I was saying there aren’t enough strong neutrals, then I apologize, that wasn’t my intent.

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