Do you consider this BM?

This is Hearthstone.

Having the audacity to win is considered BM by many lol

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I think whether this is bad manners is heavily dependent on how your opponent receives it. It’s entirely subjective, if this is malicious or not. I mean, look at this topic. You have some players that might like to see exactly how their opponent could’ve countered them or beat them in different ways. On the other hand, you have players that feel this is poor sportsmanship, for instance.

So, yeah. As long as you’re not taking up an entire turn to demonstrate your dominance, this isn’t necessarily bad manners. However, depending on your opponent it can be received as such.

You do you. If players don’t like it, tough :poop:.

If you have to ask, it probably is.

The way I see it, if you’re asking, it implies you have doubts, which means there might just be that 0.0000…1% chance that the other guy will find what you do (or not do) to be BM

If you want to be sure not to bm, just, like… don’t do anything but play “normally”

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Yeah, well, but… he wants to demonstrate to his opponent how he could’ve won differently. I mean, he has lethal but also the ability to counter and so wants to show this off. :roll_eyes: /s

I’d wager most players would find this to be bad manners if it were to happen to them. We have a much different bunch of players here, however, that might actually want to see how else their opponent could’ve played and won. I get that. It can be useful knowledge for future matches.

This is often true. But not in this case, I personally do not consider it BM, and consider it quite a silly thing to get upset over. But it is difficult to compress complex ideas into a succinct title, so there are certain shortcomings. I was just curious what people thought on the matter. So far it has been interesting to see the different responses.

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You’d be surprised what people can get upset over. I wonder how many monitors have been smashed over Hearthstone. :stuck_out_tongue:

I’m not responsible for other people’s inability to control their emotions. I never intentionally rope anyone; if me spending an extra ten seconds to show my outs before finishing lethal and that upsets anyone, I consider that a them problem. As for myself, I like to know these things.

You’ve said as much – that you understand how some players might feel.

For me, if I’m getting my butt kicked, I often will simply want the match to end. And so, players that tend to do this can be irritating but I also feel it’s worthwhile to observe how else my opponent could’ve beat me. Knowledge is power.

I personally don’t think it’s possible to BM in a game without chat, but I came to Hearthstone after cutting my teeth in SC2 and League of Legends. Whatever you consider toxic in Hearthstone, I guarantee you is a 2 on a 1 to 10 of just pregame chat with your own team in LoL. Before that, I stacked my quarters in the arcades playing Mortal Kombat and Street Fighter, and before that standing on milk crates to play Galaxian, so maybe my skin is a little thicker than most.

I’m not saying it’s right to do it, but just saying, if you can get triggered by an emote or a slow play, be careful leaving the house–it’s way worse out there.

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Yeah i mean this one can go either way i think

I don’t think it’s solely the emote or opponent delaying that pisses people off. I think some players take the game far too seriously and so emotions run high. Seeing your opponent say ‘thanks’ or sarcastically ‘well played’ is enough to push some players over the edge and into tiltville.

Sure, I understand that, but even such a demonstration can be seen as BM.

Sure, but it’s not about what you find silly or not. What matters is whether your opponent finds it silly (is BM) or not. If they find something triggering, they’ll get triggered.

The question really isn’t “is this BM”, as the answer is almost always “yes”. There’s almost always someone somewhere who’ll be offended by what you do.

The question you should ask yourself is “what do I value more?” That is, do you value what you gain from whatever it is you’re about to do, or do you value not being perceived as someone who BMs?

I’m not saying one way or another is correct. Each person decides for themselves and what is more important.

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I think another question to ask oneself is ‘how will my next action affect my opponent’? I mean, clearly the OP has an idea that what he is doing is bad manners, otherwise this topic wouldn’t exist. If you suspect rolling your opponent and then further making plays for show might upset your opponent, perhaps you shouldn’t do it.

I’m all about peace and love. :smiling_face_with_three_hearts:

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I don’t generally do this, but I’m usually ok with letting other people play out their deck/turn even if I’m toast. As long as they do it quick and clean.

  1. I’ve heard you get more experience points (don’t know if that’s true) for playing more cards.
  2. people have quests they need to finish sometimes.
  3. it’s not like I have to be paying attention, and I don’t usually play back to back games.

I play a lot of homebrews, and I’ve noticed people are a lot more lenient about letting you play out your turn if they’ve not seen your deck before.

This is really bad sportsmanship. Personally, if a person starts doing that to me, I just concede. I’d rather just get into the next game.
I don’t see why it matters that you had answers to that particular board - it’s pretty unlikely the next match will play out the same way, even if the same classes were to match up again - people could be playing a different deck, or gotten much better/worse RNG if you play… shudders …arena.
For standard, it’s pretty easy to know what you will be up against once the meta has settled, as I’d argue most people run meta decks.
So showing your hand is nothing more than kicking a person while they are down, as well as, wasting more time.

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You also don’t know any active quests your opponent has. So if they play multiple cards on their way to lethal it is no big deal.

I couldn’t have put it better myself.
IF this nonsence starts to happen thats when i open the concede window and shut it down right there i normaly let my opponent finish me off but if i see this kind of disrespect im out.

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Have you people no spirit of adventure?
Have you never had a game that appeared to be so close, and if the slightest thing were different you could have won? And you never wondered if the other guy maybe had another out?

Because for myself, I might think lame, if he hadn’t had that exact card I would have won. But then I find out that he had another answer (from a pool of lets say 5 cards total that could have won him the game) and I think to myself, oh well I guess I would have lost anyway.

I don’t believe in playing out your hand every time you are about to win (but I believe I made this clear in the OP), but I really see no problem with showing your outs in a particularly close game, and if you are quick this won’t take more than 10-15 seconds.

Today’s game, me depending a lot on the RNG and today my synthesis was very confusing, it responds to all the enemy’s threats while he kept sending me well-played expressions and laughing, he had a total of 26 copy cards, my essential cards they were in the last 3 cards of my deck, I ended up beating the guy while he was still sending expressions, I won by survival.

Simple. I am not interested to see what my opponent has and in what ways he can finish me off. It doesn’t give me any valuable information on what I could’ve done differently or if I considered that game was close, but it was not. There is a deck tracker for that kind of info. If I lose the game, I lost the game. Yes, I consider that BM.

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