That’s a lot of gold for 200 dust. However if the other cards in the adventure wings are useful, then I’d buy it.
Currently it seems like no serious players are relying on those cards, and so I shouldn’t have to buy the wings just for the frenzied felwing. Am I correct?
The dragon is a very important card for the dragon archetype in dragon hunter. You also have the amazing reno which is a fun mage card.
I thought this is quite a controversial card… and I don’t use dragon hunters (in fact, I have not used hunter for 3 expansions). So maybe I should give this a skip?
Seeing it as 200 dust isn’t really the right way to look at it: if you were never planning on getting the other cards in the first place, you need to include their dust gain as well, even though those are not discounted.
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When I was playing the game still, I really enjoyed the card. It was a large piece missing from control mage. It’s going to depend or not on wanting to ever play control mage or spell mage.
Yeah sorry I meant to include them as well, which means if they are not cards I intend to use, it’d be dust (which is still overpriced considering I can pay 2000+ gold for 20+ packs).
So the question is whether these cards are any good that I’d want to spend so much gold on them. Amazing reno has never amazed me as I’m a wild player, and I seldom see other players use the other cards of the adventure wings
I wouldn’t buy it just for the dust, only if i wanted some of the cards.
Risky Skipper and Bomb Wrangler are essential to NoHandsGamer’s Egg Warrior which sees play at top Legend ranks and in Grandmasters.
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OP Dragon hunter, or any not-aggro hunter is unplayable in wild.
Just know that ok?
If you play wild, forget about doing anything fun with rexxar.
First and foremost the default-deck is big priest. It’s very-strong vs certain classes, and loses to very-meta things like meta-combo-decks, meta-aggro decks, shaman builds, jank mage decks can do well because transform, Rogues with sap and good luck can do ok vs it.
Otherwise, you’re looking at a painful ladder experience.
Many folks, and tierlists, love to discount big priest as irrelevant because the meta decks turbo it. Well, unforuntately, this is why BIg Priest morphs the format around it. It’s the default “you aren’t playing meta? You aren’t playing a fast-combo? You’re trying a deck-building deck? I got you smothered”.
Big Priest pushes the meta we have in wild to it.
IT’s a very strong deck, it’s just the meta evolved around it, so tierlists incorrectly don’t talk about it, instead of talking about the past-effect / silent effect it still has.
So, some dragon hunter?
Big Priest is like please, gimme, i’m waiting.
So offering wild insight for you.
Amazing Reno is great for dealing with reborn/DH effects so it makes the res priest vs mage matchup easier and if you make it to turn 10 against a face hunter, getting rid of their DH effects is huge.
Wild uses a lot of these Adventure cards, and it can easily come to a point where some of these cards could become used in decks in the future. I would at the very least buy the first wing, and that will leave you the option to buy the remaining ones even after rotation.
Thanks guys. In that case I’ll buy the first wing now (not buying the other wings first, which means I won’t get the 200 dust refund).
1st lets ruin the statement on
Considering how most packs on a avg are around 40 dust, it’s really a hit or miss but lets look at the whole wing and not single out a single card
You need get to Act 4, by then you own the whole cards
They Total together without a ‘refund’ around 1470 (EVIL) + 1560 (Good) so that is total of 3030 dust as of whole expansion if dust during no refund, which is decent price tbh
And the statement the other cards are useful, you see load of these cards spread in some the decent decks right now.
No current serious player? Yet its in the 4% the current meta they’re top meta decks noless? I think this card even nerf is still strong.
https://hsreplay.net/cards/56122/frenzied-felwing#tab=recommended-decks
It take little brain power to look up data that is open to everyone if you take the moment to look at it.
Now if you using “well streamers aren’t using it” Most Streamers are looking at trying change and fight current meta decks, so they’ll cut cards all the time just to test something else that might be at or better value then it, but you can say it already solid card in current decks if you wish to copy and paste and play.
I main Druid, I have EVERY druid card, good and bad. Trust me when I say it’s better to have them then not even if you don’t use them now, they will find way or good fill cards later. You want to Dust them now? Go ahead cause basically it pays for itself back when you need to use that dust to craft it, so no lost. But never undermine 1 cards value cause you don’t see it, when data shows otherwise.
If you Value dust you’d keep cards like these til a refund and refund them then, as I mention as each pack after your own X amount cards become 40-100 dust pack
for 100g Which is basically saying 2000g is 2000 dust which i show you isn’t the case.
Allot of cards here areseeingplaying and solid cards, and will good to hold on to dust later when refund happens are you got act 1 free I assume, so you only had to spend 2100 gold for the remaining 3, which is Even then you’re looking at 2800 if you had to pay act 1, and let use the 100G to 100 Dust you’re still in a surplus of dust for the gold spent vs hoping off random cards of luck.
Not to mention there is 4 legendary that are 100% there vs waiting on a pity timer to cap at 30 packs for 1 legendary dry streak of bad luck vs the 1 legendary for every 20 pack per avg.
So with that Math you can say this is worth more then your normal packs.
Do some math and look into stuff if you wanna claim being efficient on gold per pack worth.
You misunderstood my earlier post. I was referring to the other cards in totality. You got snarky for the wrong reason.
Yeah I understand that but if you applied the 2800 gold into new expansions, that’s 28 packs, which goes a long way into building your collection.
Assuming 28 new expansion packs gives 1 legend of unknown usefulness, so let’s assign it a value of 1000 dust ((1600 + 400) / 2), and 100 dust for each of the other 27 packs because they give you cards you didn’t have, or cards that you can dust off.
and yes I know there are legendaries in the adventure wings, but if you buy the entire 4 wings and dust them off (including their legends as they are practically only good for dust), you’d still be worst off, dust value wise.
So the only reason why anyone looking for value would want to buy the adventure wing would be purely because the cards cannot be obtained elsewhere AND are inherently seeing high play.
giving up 28 expansion packs in exchange for that 1 (or even if you say 4) rare cards that often see player, for a wild player, It’s probably not worth it.
Again almost all the cards in the whole thing ARE being play - Both Standard and Wild found homes.
Hailbringer is the only Card you can say no data is there, but it’s strong vs Agro Def if your ice hit the face. I wouldn’t write it off.
Nearly All the cards See play- Again look up the data, Standard and Wild you’d be surprise.
You just said unknow usefulness so you need treat it like you’re going dust it. Not the full Price, this is the 40-100 Dust avg per pack is using, When you Dust useless cards.
I don’t think you know how Card dust value is Assigned
But Fine Let’s play your game, and lets do the Real Math Shall I?
1 Pack is 100% going have 1 rare, so 1 rare is 100 Dust, and lets say the Avg of epic and etc are 1 out of every 10 pack, and 1 legendary every 20 packs, Rest will be uncommon.
2800 worth of Dust Rare only dust for 20 without a refund, So it’s value out of that 28 rares YOU could get not being bad let say isn’t very high with the current expansion And Class/total rares there is barely potion of the whole set so if you dusted all those rare in the 28 packs alone it’ll be only 560 dust with no refund, So you Dust them to craft the DECK you wanted.
That’s just rares done, Now to Epic’s let say you got luck and got 1 epic every 5 packs, Even tho some people might say 10 should be the avg cause dry streaks are real on epic’s so 5 Epic’s when dusted are only 100 dust each, so that only 500 Dust
1 Legendary is 400 dust
And the only stuff left is uncommon for 106 cards, when dusted each is only 5 dust. So that’s only 530 dust total if u scrap it all.
Add that together that’s not as impressive.
560+500+400+530 is only 1990 dust total for the 28 packs and got unlucky for no cards you needed.
I don’t know where you get the value of saying 1 pack get the value of 1600 when you clearly wish to say it’ll be dusted cause you don’t use it, so the slight chance you having legendary as your 1 and only need for pull is a joke to anyone who bought packs with money for pre-releases bundles and people who bought tons of packs.
Alsoit’s safer to say that each pack will ALWAYS have 1 rare, so that 28 rare , 5 epic and 1 legendary w/ 106 commons if we do what as normal formation of repeating.
28 pack * 5 card each which is only 140 cards total of the 270 cards total in AoO set when that most of them are going be the uncommon fill basically. And We need keep things Fair if you wanna talk about Their Dust Value then We need keep when they’re Dusted with no Refund in their Price Cause If you don’t Wait til a Refund then
While we’re on the topic of AoO if someone was to but this as a ‘new player’ Let’s look at them not getting the free card and etc also and lets break down all the cards needed.
25 legendary that 1 legendary is 4% of the set to be the chance of being random luck pull.
23 * 2 epics being 46 epic total and getting those “5” in lucky avg and not 10 per 1 pull being only 9.2% of the set
35 * 2 Rares being 70 total rares to get and those 28 rares from each pack is only 2.5% of the set
52 * 2 uncommons being 104 for the whole uncommon set, which is the only thing you’ll be filling but honestly hardly any uncommons are used and most likely will dust most of them but as i point out in the “example” of cards i gave even if you dusted all them to craft cards you are most likely to use it make them just ‘dust’ to duster people.
So I broke down the math of all the cards and if they were dusted with no refund in place it’s way less then the adventure even with now how we don’t get dupes til we own everything in the full set/craft all once/twice if you just Dust cards you’re always are a net lost vs just keeping and getting cards to dust when they’re refundable which if you are active and your always looking at “cards being use now only” and not when they might be use later, thats on you.
But i’ve done the math and countless other people have and the Hearthstone Math people can even tell you, the Adventure has more value then packs when you know WHAT you’re getting. not to mention you get a Gold Pack at the end of the adventure which does have it own pity counter like other set and put you ever so closer to a golden pack giving 100% legendary or lucky on the 1st try for golden classic pack.
Once the Adventure go Wild, You can craft the adventure cards, Also Wild players have card that are like/if not better then some cards as they’re basically reprints on some card throughout the years that do the same thing just different cost.
Also anyone who does buy a single wing can always unlock the other with gold once it’s in wild
Which getting 800 gold per a wing as 1 comes out isn’t that hard , as if you’re good at the game we’re now going be rewarded allot more, when most vet goood player would do what I do at start of expansion is run Arena over, and over, and if you wish to cheese it, you can stop when u hit 2 loses, when they do a ‘change’ that affect arena then you get a free Arena Ticket, and the ‘rewards’/pack and gold with the ticket and nearly got unlimited free , I have 30 arena tickets Cause I get free holiday tickets, and get bored of Arena when 1 class rule them all (like DH arena is due to strong hero power curve).
There tons of ways you can get more out your ‘gold’ worth if not more now then before and if you’re good with a single class you should be fine to waste gold ‘here and there’ without issue.Heck I play once every 2-3 days doe quest and log off and repeat so I don’t even get the 100 gold per day limit
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Thank you, I forgot about this until u said so. So I need not even buy the wing now, and can wait for them to turn into wild? Then that’s no issue since I can wait to craft only those that I truly need after 2 years.
For now, I’ll focus on buying packs first (as it’s more and more difficult to get packs in new expansions with less play time these days, and I should have sufficient dust by 2 years to craft most of these cards if I really need them). Thanks
Erm right now you can make tons of value off current stuff and if you’re good enough even with little play, YOU can have tons of spare dust.
Let’s look at the new Rank , you’re getting cards the 1st time you climb, and now if you climb high enough you’re getting PACKS , and not just raw dust/card like the old system, where old legend is basically like silver-gold current rank. And I would Assume even if you play 2 times a week, which is about my Avg as I play only every 2-3 days pass for quest- do my quest then log out and do that for the whole month, and my gold is only from that. And As I mention if you know a huge change going happen start Arena, When they nerf/remove/add/rotate cards you’ll get a Arena ticket , but you also get the current Arena thing reward, so if you were going be 2-3 anyways and you’re going skip arena anyways, just stop when you’re 2-2, so when a change happen you’re getting the 2-2 reward, gold,pack and dust, with a ticket to do Arena with the changes, SO basically it’s a profit if you’re buying packs.
Infact if you’re godly at the game and good at building decks just go to Arena and just earn the pack and your gold back, that way you can cut a 2 year “farm” - to basically 3 months, and by the time new expansion comes around earn the new expansion cards in Arena w/ packs and get your gold, then you’ll have gold to burn on Adventures, cause you’re going be having that adventure for 2 years before it’s wild. And I can assure you, they’re going remain apart of decks for a over year, Much like how Embiggen Druid was hardly a thing til Winged Guardian - now it’s a T1/T2 deck depending on matchups
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