I think what Roger said was completely unwarrented - let me get that out first.
But just because I think it’s wrong that Roger and other people say such things, I don’t think it’s to be unexpected.
I mean ffs the disconnect between the player base and the devs are unreal. When their is so little communication between the devs and the players, there will be people who are be angry and have nobody to discuss solutions with.
I’m going to take a leap here and say that this is probably not Roger’s first time insulting the devs but if it’s the case that Roger started off actually providing relevant criticism and gets no response, well I can at the very least know where the anger is coming from.
It actually sucks though that Iksar gets this on his wedding and for that I really do condemn people like Roger, who don’t know the difference between a game and reality.
Well, he’s not wrong. I believe him when he says he receives such insults, negativity, and threats of violence every day. I believe him when he says that kind of behavior is the rule and not the exception.
You can criticize him all you like, but nothing, repeat, NOTHING justifies that kind of harassment and toxicity.
It’s true that justice is irrelevant, but it’s still very important to know the reason why such things happen so that we can prevent those things from happening in the future. That’s why one shouldn’t just write it off as “just another salty player” or whatever.
What? I don’t understand. You shouldn’t blame anyone. It’s not helpful. It’s only relevant why things happened so that we can better understand what to do about those problems.
Honestly, I feel like that such outbursts against Developers comes out of frustration, rather than toxicity.
Toxic players don’t go after developers, but other players - they don’t get a kick out of going after the guys who created the environment where they can let go of the social constraints and be obnoxious and ruin people’s enjoyment.
People who go after Developers, is people who either are frustrated about certain aspects of the game being ignored or unchanged, like Big Priest, OTK mage etc.
Again, they may have tried to communicate the frustration to the developers, but it is very rare that this will result in anything but radio silence, so what do they do? Resort to insults and threats, because it is easier and it’s gets the frustration out. People will more often punch a wall in a wall, than actually sit and calm down.
Was what Rogers did okay? Far from it, but it’s clear that is out of frustration rather than being “toxic”, which I find people often label things that they don’t wanna listen to… be it critique or not.
Yes, which is why I’m criticizing you for blaming the victim.
People like the one Iksar quoted can’t be reasoned with. You can try, but they’re not looking for actual answers, they’re looking to vent pent-up frustration. You need to get past the frustration before reasoned discussion can happen.
And no, it’s not as simple as telling game devs to not make games frustrating, because not only is frustration and obstacle core to the concept of a game, the source of the frustration isn’t even the game itself so the devs have no control.
Look up the video on toxic gaming by Day[9] for a good explanation.
Well, in a way true. But I still think it’s problematic to pit people against people in a competition. And yeah, it’s all around us. It’s very bad.
It’s at least not a great idea in my mind to “fight fire with fire”. To distract from other competitions in real life (which you may have lost or feel like you have lost) with even more competitions (if it’s against other people) is not a good thing in my opinion.
Do you meant that with blaming? Yes, it’s just a contributing factor and not everything to it. And yes, it’s not just bad, it also has it’s good aspects. But generally speaking from my own expierence I just don’t think it’s very healthy. But yes, the toxicity not only comes from the competition in the game itself. But I didn’t say competition in the game. I said competion. Competition in general is what I meant.
For every stubborn and ignorant person who spams those threads, I think several more people are discouraged from believing them anymore.
I can see my examples and explanations stick around to come back too, so I think as a whole the community itself has gotten a lot more educated on these matters and it’s only the low post trolls who intermittently start those threads that we have to worry about anymore.
I actually think the absence of the downvote makes it more difficult to have the kind of threads that you make/would like to see more off. Down voting is an easy way to discourage fringe, overdone, and inflammatory content.
At hearthstone it never really did matter to much to devs if someone was correct or not when complaining…
It was always about the law of the loudest and this means that the more toxic and spiteful you are the more you’re likely not only to be replied but to actually get the changes done.
Want an proof of what I said above? Instead of many constructive posts he did choice to reply this one.
In other words:
Their own actions contribute to this situation and someone at his position has no right to complain about something like this when he is part of the problem and not an victim.
theres no room for garbage like this in a functional society
stuff like this should be called out because it simply isnt constructive. theres a difference between constructive criticism and flat out attacking someone.
