Is still the worst way to win. So much RNG. Imagine if in pure Black you could play Counterspell. Crazy garbage. Literally just lost a game where I was outplaying my opponent, holding cards better, tempo, everything. But they discovered a Windfury Weapon from another class, so they won.
K.
Nothing I could do about that.
We donât need to imagine it because itâs literally as easy as just playing blue cards. Your analogy is no different than saying, âpeople have no say over the political process. Imagine if people could just vote!â Thereâs literally nothing from stopping a black player from splashing blue in MTG.
This is not new and itâs called midrange.
But you donât deserve to get entirely flamed. RNG is by far the worst mechanic in HS and is creates an environment where you cannot account for everything and sometimes creates scenarios where you cannot win or creates lethal scenarios where there shouldnât be.
For instance, earlier today I had a board of 7 minions against a mage with 2 cards in hand and I have 10 health. They play Sunset Volley and hit my face for 8 damage and then get lethal with Flame Geyser. Thatâs within the range of .0004% of happening. Was I scammed? Yes. The game has way more RNG than card generation and thatâs just how HS is. There are other card games.
That makes no sense. You canât play Blue cards in Black without a way to play Blue cards. But you can play my cards in Rogue just because you are Rogue.
Cool. How pompous you are. I canât comprehend how stupid your arguments are.
(1) Phyrexian cards can be paid with life, (2) itâs as easy as putting in fetch lands, pain lands, shock lands, any other type of dual mana producing land. You donât need to put in a million blue cards to justify playing a small counterspell package or any other package for that matter. One of the best decks in Modern over the last like 4 years has been Grixis and plays a majority of black cards. Itâs not an even 33/33/33 split.
You should read your own comments. You cry a lot too.
Yes, I understand, there are ways to BUILD YOUR DECK to play around SOME SMALL COSTS. THAT YOU INTENTIONALLY DO. THIS IS NOT THE SAME AS RANDOMLY GENERATING CARDS.
FFS.
Strawmanning. I never said it was a way to generate your own cards but you literally said in the OP imagine if black could play blue counterspells.
Which goes back to
I donât care. Be a dumb nitpicker of my wording. Do you understand the point and are trolling or are you too stupid to grasp it?
Guy, splashing blue doesnât correspond with the opening statement which is playing Mono Black and having access to Counterspell.
Your argument about playing Counterspell in Mono Black only holds if you incorporate mechanics such as stealing the opponentâs cards and having access to play them for mana of any color.
Combining colors is completely unrelated to HS. It canât come in the comparison, and neither does it justify the situation, since in your example, you do have access to X cards and isnât generating them from thin air, since you are combining colors and given reason to main deck them.
Exactly. They are just trying to win on a technicality.
There is no winning.
Itâs just unrelated.
There is no such thing as generating cards in MTG. The comparison is nonsensical.
Except that MTG is not bound by arbitrary imaginations of âman what if my black deck could play other colorsâ because thatâs literally already in the game. Again, itâs not an argument for or against RNG, itâs pointing out that the comparison is bad because itâs a non-equivalent. Itâs a literal logical fallacy. Educate yourself.
MTG has more way to steal cards than HS. You should actually try playing the game sometime.
OK so we agree that the OP giving us that hypothetical was redundant. Youâre getting it.
Then you werenât outplaying your opponent.
But they are trying to win in their mind. That is why they are being like this. Unless they actually think it is the same? It makes no sense.
The point is this: In Magic, where you can actually interact with your opponent, you are not allowed to just play cards your deck doesnât allow for. In HS, you can not only generate random cards of your class, but other classes, and you canât even respond to it. Itâs complete garbage. So imbalanced.
I literally was. They literally randomly generated a weapon with winfury and won. Every move I made was optimal given my situation and mana. They generated an answer randomly. Takes no skill.
Or are you saying that the winning of a close match canât be determined by skill? Actually, it wasnât even close until they generated that weapon. I had tempo EVERY TURN because I built better and played better. They RANDOMLY generated a weapon with windfury to get through my taunt. Random.
This was never the point in your original post. Your OP was about RNG card generation and nothing to do with player agency outside of your turn.
Why bother posting on a forum if you are going to flame people for comments you donât like? Itâs literally as easy as moving past my comment but instead you chose to be a child and started flaming and projecting some fantasy of winning.
I was just saying that MTG has ways to play cards outside of their colors and that the comparison was weird not only because itâs not RNG in MTG but because itâs literally already part of the game. Same with One Piece, Digimon, YGO.
If you TRULY want a game where decks stay in their own card pool, play Weiss Schwarz.
Hearthstone is very heavy-handed on RNG. I even admitted to you that I donât take it seriously for that reason. You got upset over my comment when I literally agreed with you that I think itâs bad game design.
The imaginative situation you provided not only is nonsensical, but itâs also made nonsensical by you while also being completely unrelated to what is being put down.
Your situation does not correspond with the talking point. Educate yourself as you said and stop spewing garbage.
Relax kid, I donât care about your trophy for wasting your life playing MTG.
âMore ways to steal cards than HSâ â U.N.R.E.L.A.T.E.D and moronic. Nothing to do with the scenario, you try to push stuff with idiotic imaginative situations unrelated to the topic.
Stop embarrassing yourself.
We are not talking about combining colors, or its equivalent in HS genius. Grasp the concept of the thread and get back to me.
Your just face value translated âplayâ to play in HS and not âgenerate.â Try and understand the deeper message you puddle.
Youâre not making any sense, and Iâm not flaming you. I donât know you. Youâre just not making sense. My opening was literally saying, âImagine if you play a mono color and can randomly play another color.â
And you are saying I didnât outplay my opponent because they generated a random card? Thatâs stupid. Sorry. It just is. Iâm not flaming. Thatâs stupid.
Yeah not flaming.
Another instance of flaming. Also I never said you didnât outplay your opponent. I donât have a replay of the match. I can say that your description of âoutplaying my opponent [with] everythingâ is at least exaggerated if you were within lethal range of a winfury weapon since currently the only one in Standard belongs to paladin/ shaman and does 6 damage by itself unless they also had some way to buff the damage, in which case maybe itâs rogue and they play a weapon modulation effect (which would explain getting cards from a random class).
Either way, assuming they buffed it to 6 damage windfury thatâs 12 life max you could have had assuming they had zero board presence and no burn spells. Thatâs within lethal range for a lot of decks. I would not constitute that as being in such a position where you lost solely due to a windfury weapon. Itâs not like they created a board of Ragnaros and hit you for 30+ damage or some double Shoplifter Goldbeard combo.
No, my intention wasnât âto flame.â Iâm just calling your argument stupid, because you are being stupid. It isnât filled with hate. Maybe you are a child and think flaming is disagreeing with someone.
Sorry, it was that Undead person that said I didnât outplay. My bad.
Yeah, but thatâs not what they were playing. They randomly generated the answer, despite me figuring out their deck, for the most part. It was literally a random generation that I could do nothing about. I countered every play they made, sacrificed life for the long game, but it did not matter, because they randomly generated a windfury weapon. It was that conk looking thing. I think itâs a pally weapon?
It made my taunt meaningless, then hit me face. So skillfull.
This could also be seen as being blessed with RNG for having an answer every turn. This it basic card game stuff and happens. Hearthstone is just happens more, which as I said is one of the issues with the game and youâre preaching to the choir here because Iâve already addressed this.
Then it means you lost out to them looking for lethal over an equally long period of time. Iâm not saying RNG didnât have a role here but you also have to think about if it wasnât the weapon what else could it have been? What was your life total at? Eviscerate range? Fireball range? Unless they modulated it with a weapon buff or hero attack buff from DH, you were within lethal range by a lot of different spells.
Would still be RNG but itâs not as precise as them generating the only card in the game possible of killing you.
Or I happened to build my deck well. It doesnât matter if you see it as RNG. I did it. Without randomly generating cards.
They literally generated the answer from nowhere, when I had lethal on my turn, after outplaying them every turn. They won by pure luck, generated from nonsense. What a good game.
I outplayed them every turn by deck construction and card play, but they ultimately won because I have a slow deck and they happened to generate the right card. And you call that skill?
So what, slow decks that donât abuse dumb mechanics like Boomboss should be inferior to RNG? What garbage. No. They lost if not for RNG. I played better than them for 20 minutes and lost to a fricking coin flip. What a good game.
They randomly generated a card from another class. There was literally nothing I could do. I couldnât counter it. Nothing. I played optimally. They won by luck. Itâs not a discussion. What, I should have just won sooner? That doesnât change that they won by pure luck.