What do you think?
Not of the full experience. Love how you took that out of context. He’s talking about the fact you don’t need to be an expert deckbuilder to enjoy all aspects of Hearthstone.
As much as I enjoyed the Dungeon runs, I’d rather play those than Duels, simply because I don’t want to waste time building a deck before each run.
And as for Ranked, I have several decks in Wild that I update with each expansion, simply because I don’t want to sludge through my collection, trying to find the best combinations (which is why the last few decks I made are just terrible, I have an idea, but I can’t be bothered to fine tune it because, honestly, I have better things to do). Nearly all my decks for Standard are variations of the pre-made ones.
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Personally, I like the combat aspect of Hearthstone, but I suck at deckbuilding. Yup, I’m a filthy netdecker! 
While I agree that Deckbuilding shouldn’t be the focus of Hearthstone, it should always be an option. Without Deckbuilders, Hearthstone’s meta would become quite boring.
Cards like Zayle or Whizbang were an excellent idea for in-game decks. I hope there will be more of those kinds of cards.
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I get tired when people try to stir sentiments by adding words/intents onto others.
I clearly added the original twitter, open to all to understand the full context.
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Unless Dean and his team come up with a way to give players free decks (not just newbies) uh… you kinda have to deck build. Even netdecking is still deck building. It’s just the top players and streamers have done it for you.
Dean, if you want players to ‘jump straight in’ (like battlegrounds), then I suggest you make more cards like Whizbang and make them available to everyone for free.
I mean, cards don’t magically appear in the deck list unless he assumes everyone is using the auto deck builder? (I didn’t read full article, sorry if he mentioned it). I should try playing ladder, as a test using a deck the auto deck builder thinks is good picks.
I wonder how far I get? I’m assuming, not very far.
See? That’s why I mentioned context. Not everyone clicks the link to see where it leads. It’s not from an article, but his twitter where he responds on a tweet saying that Ben Brode discussed “Time to fun”, while Hearthstone requires a lot of time to create decks and choose modes, and was asked what he saw was the best ways of moving forward to trim down the time to fun.
I am shocked I actually agree with Ayala.
HS is known for its simple, easy and casual gameplay and mechanics.
Building a deck from scrap, tune it, tweak it isnt actually how the game should be played in general.
I enjoy building a new decks but I already have enough experience with game mechanics so I can come up with atleast meme tier deck. New players might lack that experience so their decks might be trash tier.
It all comes down to preferences - if you wanna enjoy the “play” aspect of the game, its very easy to just copy a code of a deck you have found on web.
And if you enjoy building and tweaking a deck, you have that option too.
Seems ok.
Similarly you bring me out of context.
I appreciate if you focus solely on discussions and not unnecessary drama.
Others have no problem and input their own views on the topic, without targeting individuals, and with accusations.
For me, I think it’s disturbing (might be a tad overdramatic word for the better) that the lead have this mentality, since I think the great aspect of cards games like Hearthstone, Magic etc. is that, you can mix, match and make your own decks.
But yeah, ever since after either Un’goro or Knights of the Frozen Throne, experimentation has become stale, Blizzard also letting Streamers and Pros play and refine the meta before it even begins also means people are less prone to try something new since they already seen the powerhouses because of said streamers/pros.
Of course, there’s the biggest sinner of the dust system, being absolutely merciless toward experimentation and deck creating unless you put massive amounts of money into the game and even then, it might not be enough.
The blame game could also be pointed toward Hearthstone’s cycle of power and the design teams intentional powercreeping… but yeah, there’s alot of aspects of the game that is in line with the tweet.
I count myself lucky these days if I face against a creative deck I haven’t seen before.
HARD no there, friend. Harder than diamond.
What I mean is that someone had to have made the deck first for people to copy it 
I think it should be an option for those that want it but I think a lot of players would rather just play something good from the get go. Not forcing players to go out of the client to do that though would be quite tricky. One possibility I think could be done by being much more reactive and vigilant about updating deck recipes in the client on once a week or once every two weeks basis with whatever the top archetypes for each class are based on their internal data so that people could use those recipes to keep up with the meta. It’d be a lot of work on their end to do that but it’s an option that doesn’t require going out of the client to get a good deck and start playing
This is definitely the biggest reason people don’t experiment much with decks. Crafts are so expensive and if your original deck idea doesn’t work at all then you’re stuck swallowing the cost of epics and legendaries that you can’t get back. A solution here might be to let players use all the cards in the game in casual mode so they can see if the deck they want to do that’s dependent on niche legendary and epic cards actually works before they invest dust in them.
Or simply give a time-limit for dust refund.
Within 24 hours, you can get your dust refunded for Epic or Legendary cards.
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I’d worry about people exploiting that though by playing a deck for whatever the time limit is, dusting all the epics and legends they’d need to craft for a full refund then doing the same thing again the next day. A number of games limit might be better and done on a per card basis. So if say the limit is 15 games you can’t keep dusting a card to reset its counter. Once you play 15 games with a card you create then you no longer get a full dust refund for it.
I see what you’re saying, but- somebody built the car I drive, that doesn’t make ME an engineer lol
Deckbuilder is definitely not a title owned by netdeckers!
Deckbuilding has always been AN aspect of CCGs.
Deckbuilding has never been THE aspect of CCGs.
People need to quit being myopic dunderheads and accept that CCGs have multiple aspects to them and going around thinking that one of those aspects is the “One True Aspect” that everyone must be forced to engage in is the thinking of a simplistic mind.
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See, for me the great aspect is actually playing the game. Don’t get me wrong, I get the appeal of deckbuilding (I for instance enjoy building and planning characters for RPG’s), but when it comes to Hearthstone, I’m fine with just clicking a button and then just start playing. I don’t know, maybe it’s me getting older, but I don’t want to spend fifteen minutes going through my collection, building a deck for Duels, when I can skip all that with a Dungeon run and have more fun building my deck on the fly.
I know you’re talking about the main game, but there are other modes now too, and that’s what Dean was talking about. Sometimes people just want to get right into the fun.
Hard to use Hearthstone as an example because I’m not convinced that the game takes whole lot of skill when it comes to piloting a deck, but let’s take a genre like MOBA. Someone might not be that bright at figuring out their own builds, but have very good mechanical skills and reaction. I don’t think that the fact the they are not so good about the ‘theory’ invalidates their other strong traits as a player.
For me, building my own decks is the main reason that I still play after 7 years…
And other people aren’t you.
He isn’t saying deckbuilding can’t be an important part of the experience, only that he’s not going to gatekeep those who don’t care about it.
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