Core Set Changes and Wild?

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With all the shakeup to these old cards, which is exactly what the game needs one of the biggest things, change besides a new expansion, or a small balancing patch.

Is it true that Wild can’t play the new versions of these core cards?
So, for example idk Barron Geddon 7/7.
Wild can only play with old 7/5 Geddon?
I doubt it, but do we have access to both versions?

Also, the newly created cards like Selective Breeder, are those avail in Wild or standard only? I mean not that Breeder would be anything near playable in wild a 2 cost 1/1 that just gets you a copy of a beast lol. You’d have to give us a 2 cost like 4/4 to makeup for playing beasts in wild and trying to interact with your opponent’s hand / deck / face. Anyway.

If they change all these core cards mostly buffs, and wild is not allowed to play the more powerful versions of ‘bad’ cards, that’s pretty lame and doesn’t seem to have any logical reason to why.

If we are allowed to play the new versions of changed cards, are we allowed to choose between old or new? Would be appreciated. I hope wild isn’t getting denied access to content that got created for standard. Thanks

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The situation is about Tracking.
Tracking lost it’s discard / thin ability, which in one specific case is a buff such as not wanting to lose an OTK piece, but all other cases is a card nerf. Hunter’s cant survive to OTK.

Discard is better bc you just know you cant play it unless you are seeking 1, and only 1 final piece. This is why Tracking is not best used for OTK, but it is fantastic for not OTK decks. Like when you tracking you have a guess to what your opponent is bc you can see their class portrait and possibly any cards they play. When we can’t manipulate whats in our deck, like with discover tracking, that hurts our chances of winning and simplifies our strategy. All for what, so we can build an OTK hunter, find the pieces without discarding the others, and have to draw 2 or 4 extra cards that normally we would not have to draw? That’s like half a match sometimes.

If its turn 1 and your aggro, you don’t want to tracking, its more like a turn 5 idk burn search play. You dont want to take idk skill command and have 2 1 cost things waiting to be topdecked when if it had discard those 2 cheap cards would be out of the pool (which is ideal).

Tracking with discard lets you go “i think my opponent is this, so i want this one card most and dont want these other cards in this matchup, at all, or less than the one im choosing” and that’s the strength of the card. Please blizz don’t try to cater to OTK hunter, with our only good draw card. Cater to OTK by first getting taunt in our pool, other draw cards (secret mage in wild f/e uses like 3-4 very OP draw cards) and better secrets and such.

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All cards are legal in wild.

You could play both Geddons if you choose.

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Above is untrue
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you cant play both versions, old version gets replaced with new version, and when they are mechanically different cards, that’s a card swap not a buff or nerf.

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Any buffs or nerfs are most likely going to change not only the core set card, but the original copy as well.

And the deck restriction (only 2 copies of a card and 1 copy for legendaries) might still be there.

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Oh, so the card reworks will delete the original versions from the game eternally?

Like, new tacking makes old tacking out of the game even for wild? Some of these changes are card reworks which is not the same as a unanimous buff.

For example something like geddon is a pretty much agreed upon buff.
For example something like tracking is an effect swap.

But it’s called tracking so we have to choose between two trackings that do different things. Also, if what you are saying is true, old versions are getting deleted from wild and being replaced with only the new versions?

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If a card is changed in the Core set, it will be changed in the Legacy set, so only one version of Tracking will exist in Standard and Wild. The only time you’ll see the old Tracking is in Classic mode.

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NO way!
So they’re deleting a card from hunter, replacing it with a totally different card, effect wise, on the DL?

This would be like them taking barron geddon out of the game and replacing it with a geddon that heals for 2 across the board.

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It is not a delete per se, those are buffs, nerfs, or changes

And yeah, I am 99% sure that it is how it will work.

Obviously the new Dragons are the exception, because those are clearly brand new cards.

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If one version is avail, the new version, that’s deleting the old version from constructed including wild.

The whole pt is tracking change is an effect change, not a buff or nerf in all cases, yet they pitched it as a buff, and are replacing an original tracking with a ‘buffed’ but effectively changed version of the card.

It’s all about what they perceive a buff to be in this case.
And they’re wrong.
They slipped in a card swap in this whole core set changeover and i spotted it no im not special im just bringing attention to it.

Its like making a new cobra shot. Deal 3 to minion, and 3 to opponents face. Then making this new card Deal 3 to minion, and idk, heal yourself for 3. They completely changed the 2nd part of a 2 part card and called it the same card lol.

Intent to fool probably wasn’t going on, but they sure overlooked this one. The entire hunter class just got a mechanic stripped from it, totally, and replaced with some ‘buff’ and we can’t even use the old mechanic. Super shady, its like idk taking away shadowform from priest or something and pitching it as a buff.

Want to deck thin in hunter? Can’t anymore w class cards.
Why? We want you to discover now and keep those bricks in your deck.
Oh, well can’t i at least choose to deck thin still?
No, bc we called it the same name as the card that had the mechanic were taking away from your class.

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they were very clear about what they were doing. they weren’t trying to trick anyone.

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They actually did take the old Shadowform out. And they did pitch it as a buff.

The deck thinning effect of tracking is your holy cow?

I remember getting it off Yogg and Zul’Jin and being angry about losing cards from the deck. I couldn’t play it in HL Hunter with Zul’Jin, particularly because I usually played Polkelt and if I played Zul’Jin I would thin myself out of DQA and Dino Brann!

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Did they talk about tracking in some interview or probably twitter post or something redic that you could guide me to?

Yes, its a shallowing up of hunter / the game.
They took away a mechanic we had from day 1 until now.
Its a major deal, and i don’t like how they didnt like straight up talk about this.

They’ll make a post “we nerfed this card 1 mana” but not “we took away a mechanic hunter has always had…”

Lets give an example.
Its wild, turn 1, your opponent just played idk, kabal lackey?
Is a priest?
I mean most m/us you can tell your opponents deck on 1.

So you tracking going 2nd.
Looking for idk, a good card vs that deck, if you feel the match is worth the time.
You don’t see your card.
Fail case.
Ok, well, with old tracking, you are two cards closer to drawing into it.
With new tracking, you are two cards worse off drawing into the win card relative to if you had old tracking back.

Its a way slower card.
WAY slower 2 cards is a big deal on turn 2 bc they could be dead draws you never want to see and now they’re stuck in your deck all match long. Old tracking let you get rid of things you dont want.

Yea, there’s also like strategic things that are weak but fun, but this is secondary to above. So yea for like idk 1 year straight i played Hakkar hunter and Tracking helped a lot. Any combo hunter wants tracking once you only need 1 piece left or have the full combo in hand. You cant tracking before combo assembly, obvoiusly. But this whole combo tracking is obviously for ‘losing’ decks.

In normal play tracking is very strong, and a lot of that is the discard 2.
I am extremely not cool with this change.

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They did talk about it!

Not about tracking specifically since they haven’t had an interview or Q&A since the full Core Set reveal, which is where the new Tracking was revealed.

But they did say they were changing some cards.

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Right, but “changing some cards” is not like specific. This is a big change, seriously or i wouldnt be talking about it forevs.

Tracking was my fav hunter card (along with Stablemaster just bc art and unplayability) now its like i dont want this new version, at all, i dont care if it preserves combos…guess what.

Hunter can’t survive to combo, so this is 1 piece of a idk 5 piece puzzle that would need to get overhauled like we’d have to be priest to combo.

I dont want bad cards per matchup sitting in my deck.
Tracking was “in this matchup what do you want in your deck” more than “what you are grabbing” does that make sense?? Like hunter just got rigid.

We had some flexibility due to discard now were like not able to do yoga.

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Why do you think it was changed?

Do you think most other Hunter players would agree or disagree with your opinion? And what evidence, if any, do you have to support your view?

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Above is untrue,
Below is true.
Thor sucks at actual deck building.

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It’s pretty controversial but yeah, cards that will be changed in the Core set will also be changed in their original sets and the changes are permanent.
If you want to play the original versions, you will need to do so in Classic mode.

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ANd if arent playign zuljn and a more typial hunter deck thats mroe agregsive, there the tracking discaridng was an UPSIDE.
In most cases in msot decks it was an upside

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This isn’t like Zaunite Urchin in LOR, where you choose what will be discarded beforehand.

Discarding blindly is much less powerful.
It’s strength is not as Thorodan or you mentioned that you don’t want certain cards, because you don’t know whether you will be discarding good or bad cards for the matchup. It’s strength lies when you are looking for a very small subset of cards and you don’t care about any of the 3 cards unless it’s one of those in the small subset. For example HL cards before Polkelt, or Hero cards during Rastakhan. Because even if Tracking didn’t draw those cards, you would be drawing them sooner.

There’s Subject 9, Master’s Call, and Polkelt in Wild where Thorodan plays to thin out or rearrange the deck without the negative side effects of possibly losing cards that the player wanted.

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Sure guess what on my first search i found an agreer!
As in, im not alone in my opinion.

Go to youtube, type regis, you probably heard of him, if not his name’s regis.
Remember that members of his chat online are also saying it’s a card nerf, so it’s already not just one person who agrees.

20 minutes in on the dime.
“Deep Dive into Core Set”.

There’s one example, and isn’t that cool that it popped up on my first search??
I know.

I could start streaming tonight and ask a bunch of streamers and become and influencer and get more than regis and his chat to agree too!

You asked for one opinion and i gave you more than one (because his chat counts too those are real people). You want to start streaming with me?
Thanks.

Sorry, Sub 9 Master Call Polkeit all those don’t work in hunter.
Also, thinning on 1 is way better than drawing ineffective secrets.
Or playing beasts lol.
Or some Polkeit Card that doesnt actually draw anything.

Marco, i have to ask how much Hunter have you played?
A crazy ton, a ‘middle’ ton, a lot, a decent amount, or just a little?

That info would help to see where your understanding level is of the class, specifically deckbuildling and not meta. Thanks
Im not duwin or the hunter expert but a few years ago i hit like 4k, 5k, hard to recall not-meta hunter wins, that’s not meta-hunter matches won or meta matches queued which would be like obviously way higher if i was just playing meta and not deep thinking each hunter card for years. Every not meta win is like idk worth 5, 10 meta wins for the difficulty gap. No debating that. Except the random concedes you receive.

I got to go to work i work full time, check back later bud!

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