Convinced high rating bg's players must be cheats

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Every season I cannot get past 7000 bg rating. No matter what I do. No matter which supposed bg master I watch on Youtube. I will get everything to go my way one match and place 1st and the next 3 matches can’t get a thing going and then run into the player who got every elemental they wanted and stomp me for 25 and then I’m out 6th. Anyone who gets much higher than 7000 must be cheating.

Bg’s are just so inconsistent that anyone with a higher than 8000 rating in this current meta has to be incredibly lucky or is somehow cheating.

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Yeah I’ve seen some strange things. I’ll have a board of 12-20 hp units and I went up against a Tier 4 guy who had TWO of the tier 6 taunt elemental, both at over 100 hp. I’ve had some lucky games, but that one took the cake.

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Right? I mean I know this game isn’t what was it way back in the day? Counter Strike? So like realistically no one is cheating I don’t think, but I’m not a terrible player and yet cannot ever get to 7000. bg’s are broken and have been since 2? seasons ago.

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The trick is knowing which hero has the best percentage with the lobby offered. After that it’s about picking the correct quest with the hero you choose. After that it’s a matter of drafting and moving up the ranks at the correct time.

Watch a high MMR BG’s player sometime and many will talk you through their choices and why they made that choice. A good example is DOG who explains the game very well and shows you how he is thinking many rounds ahead.

Once you hit about 6500 MMR you are out of the bot game mode of BG’s from that point every 1K MMR is basically a skill cap to make you a better player. Each time you move up you are gaining more skill of the game. I was recently stuck in the 10K MMR bracket as i had not reached it before and games play at a different pace in that bracket. I had to adjust to this and think many turns ahead as well as being able to flip 180 when the moment presents itself.

Just keep playing you will get better over time as long as you think more about your plays.

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Bot mode? Are you indirectly calling my long time tooth and nail crawl to 6000 for the first time today botting? I’ll have you know 6000 is a very high score to get to and very difficult to get close to even. You may not have the same difficulty as other players, but you should also realize, you arent other players.

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6400 is top 50%, 7200 is top 20%, so it gets significantly harder within a very small MMR window. To say that players above 8000 MMR are just lucky or cheaters is pure ignorance. Luck only comes into play when you’ve reached your peak, but skill will always determine how high you can climb, given enough time.

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BG’s are easy to play. I don’t play BG’s to be any good at BG’s yet still have a 3400 rating and recently had back-to-back 1st Places with the Lich King and Cookie.

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You probably just hit your skill ceiling like everything else. Persevere and continue to learn strats, plan your plays out more than usual etc. This game does take a bit of luck, such as throwing caution to the wind and rolling for that one game changing minion for your comp, but top players are generally watching what their opponents do every single turn. Every decision made is to take on the lobby, not just the next opponent. They also probably know who is going to make it to top 4/3/2 and will play accordingly.

This is why I will probably be “stuck” around ~5k-6k mmr because that’s as much of an effort I’m willing to put into BGs. If you want to go beyond 7k, then you need to play as such.

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You being bad is not a possibility, it MUST BE CHEATING

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Of course there are the flaming comments. But there are also the watch the top players, which I said I’d already done for maybe and hour or two and unless I picked the wrong youtube videos I didn’t see any OMG I didn’t see that before wisdom imparted from so called top players.

I also see the probable reason for why I can’t get past 7000 which is I watch Netflix and do other things while playing bg’s and I’m not super obssessed with bg’s as much as top players evidently are. I’m not going to sit and intensely watch what the player with patches is doing. It’s obvious he’s going pirates. Once or twice a game I will scroll over my opponents to see what builds they are going with. If I’m playing the hero that gives you minions from your past opponent then I will watch when the battle starts. But just once to get to 7000 only. Not 7100. Not 7200. Is that too much too ask when I do know that certain heroes are better than others. Certain quests should be avoided.

So I get all that, but still cannot get to 7000. I get a pretty awesome party going sometimes and place 1st despite watching Netflix, and so why not more often?

Just play casually expecting that in general most players probably are not playing 10 hours a day to become the best and to be able to compete in a collegiate tournament and so would expect that I should be between 45-55% winning. Not 40% as I feel I am, nor the 60% top players probably are.

I get that I won’t get to 10k MMR. I’m okay with that, but I’m not okay with having a very good basic understanding and struggling to get to 6000 and then I do because that seems to be the guarenteed MMR if you play 1-4 matches a day then when I get into the 6000+ range it goes like 2nd, 4th, 7th, 1st, 7th, 6th, 4th, 6th, 2nd, 6th, 3rd, 6th, 2nd, 6th, 5th, etc. like I"m some sort of noob.

Because unless I’m wrong to get to 10k MMR seems to me in the 6000 range you would need 1st, 1st, 2nd, 1st, 3rd, 1st, 1st because otherwise you cannot climb past 7000 and that seems entirely impossible.

The numbers back me up. At around 6500 MMR right now I get 100 for 1st, 5 for 4th, 0 for 5th, and -90 for 8th. So unless you are consistently placing top 3 in the 6000’s you are not getting to 8000+MMR. Because you can know what you need to do, but if the bartender only gives you garbage minions, you don’t get any quests you would really want, or the heroes you get to pick from present no great opportunities how the heck do you do what I’ve proposed for a 10k MMR player? So it must be cheating. Even though I know that the way this game is programmed it’s probably not possible to cheat.

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I thought 6k is a high number…only 50%!?

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2 hours watching a you tube vid isnt all that long.
Today i got to 9k today on my f2p ladder account. Took like 4 weeks with maybe 4-5 games a day. 10k isnt that high,if you get to 7k you can also get to 10k if you are dedicated.

The rating is mostly a matter of playing a lot,only the 16k group is a class on its own.
But you do need to focus. If you watch netflix while playing you will never get a feel for all the small differences. If you let attention slip you will instantly misplay.

The better players get the good builds because they pick the most promising path on every single turn. They never yolo a turn and they are realistic.

Its easy to get caried away and see a huge upside. Oh i buy this and then i can get that next turn and then i get golden hoggar and then.
Its a mistake i still make myself as well. If you play like this then bob wont give you the minions that you want (well sometimes he will but generally he wont). And then you see other players with real builds and then you think,well i got unlucky.
But what did happen was that you choose a path with a low change of succeeding.
(though in all fairness,and i know this all to well, Sometimes you just truly are unlucky.)

I dont know what advice to give to you.
If i could give one advice,based on what you wrote,it would be to pay full attention.
To just think for 5 seconds,take some time before instantly buying the suposedly good minions. And watch streams,not while also watching netflix but by paying attention to the stream. Thinking:what would i do in such situation.

You dont have to study for hours a day,just play with attention and focus and then you will learn lots more.

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It means that you will frequently be placed in groups up to that MMR with much lower MMR players that are still learning or just don’t understand the game(IE: BOTS). Getting Top 4 is generally much easier and gets easier as you play more and climb to that MMR. At 6K MMR you have now hit the final safety rank and should have a good grasp of the BG mode. From here you will start to develop your end game skills to move up further ranks.

You should actually be very proud of this accomplishment as half of all BG players never get to 6K.

The very top players are competing at 14.5K- 15K+ MMR. It’s a rough MMR to play at though as often 3rd is a negative gain and 2nd is a break even 0. An MMR of 6K is basically obtainable without putting a huge amount of effort into the BG’s format. Going above that requires more effort into your builds as you climb into the higher MMR’s.

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Like you say.
Oh its patches he is going pirates (not always true but lets forget about that).

Thats the wrong way to look at it. You should not watch streams to learn what build to go for. What you should try to learn is how they get there.

Not:patches is going pirates lesson learned.
But: how did patches play to get to golden hoggar with 30 hp left.
Or: this patches did not get many pirates nor hoggar but he got gold teamaster ir whatever. How did he get there,thats the question you should try to learn from.

The game is unforgiving. Good players play very efficient. They get to good builds without wasting much gold and by choosing the most promising path even when the shops dont roll their way.

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Why do you keep saying MMR when I get 6k pts in BG, it doesn’t say MMR pts?

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It’s interchangeable. Points or MMR. Either way it is just giving you a ranking for match making.

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I don’t understand how you can think this is an acceptable thing to say.

Maybe, you aren’t as good as you think you are.

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In one single post of your own words, I should both be proud of my accomplishment that is also no huge amount of effort. You sound like someone talking to a child. Being very sweet with your words but can hear the tone you say them means you dont mean it. I ain’t no child to be praised for kicking a ball into a net at 5 years old for the first time. Thats how you sound. If it wasnt what you meant, use different words then. And Effff to the Yooo about 6k not taking a huge amount of effort. Your standards of effort are not a universal measurement everyone goes by. Its very "high and mightier than thou " sounding and you come off as a total * word that means : the result of hurting yourself on a thorn* * and rhymes with “trick”.

I am proud of clawing my way to 6000 mmr. and effff to the yoo for claiming it doesnt take a huge amount of effort. You aint everyone. You cant claim that kinda thing without knowing how much effort everyone needs to put in to get to the mmr they get to. And I mean EVERYONE. Without that level of knowledge, your claims are just to make yourself feel above others. You remind me of the kid in highschool that said getting Straight A’s isnt a huge amount of effort, while I’m physically incapable of being able to memorize anything such as the multiplication tables and here we are in algebra and I’m expected to know factors and quadratic equations. I can’t memorize a phone number. Try to Ace that test with that handicap. You dont know the effort people have to put into things to get the level they get to. It isn’t a matter of “just gotta try harder” when it comes to the way a person’s brain works or doesnt. I cant just memorize things suddenly when my whole life, I havent been able to. The fact I remember what I do remember is life saving and keeps me a functional member of society and not just a 35 year old with alzheimers.

Also, I thought top MMR was like 7k or 8k… the eff? 15k? Thats beyond unreal.

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Okay so uhm that was not the point of my post. I honestly don’t know what you want from this game mode at this point.

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He didn’t need to get out anything from this game mode.

You were reading it wrong.
He simply pointed out that you were condescending, patronizing, basically being a jerk