I played Pure Paladin against Warrior.
He played 2 minions whole game, a Stoneskin Armorer and Odyn, while playing every single removal spell that the Warrior Class has in its arsenal.
And my question is:
How is this fun?
Was he really enjoying just playing infinite removals over and over again. Is this really enjoyable for someone and if so … how?
As a Control player myself, I can’t even touch any Control deck anymore. It’s simply not fun. Your ‘strategy’ is just trying to get every single removal spell that you have in your hand until you make your opponent concede out of pure frustration.
I will say it and I truly believe it. Aggro decks at this point, take more skill to pilot than a Control deck does.
Moreover Yogg-Saron, Unleashed will just amplify this problem even more.
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Did Control ever work any differently? Keep answering questions until you run out of answers or you opponent runs out of questions. That’s always been the classic control style.
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It’s not. It’s the most despised and pedantic control style, but not necessarily classic.
Lots of control decks have worked towards more active winconditions that involved playing minions and interacting with the opponent beyond just shouting “no” every time the opponent plays a card.
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Before, u had to make sure of the removal spell u were using was the right one, today u get so many of these its not even a choice anymore, even if u play it u still have 3 other mass removals in hand.
Year by year control is getting easier and easier to play and blizz makes sure it keeps itself like that.
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I guess we’re at the stage Warrior stopped being complete garbage, and has ascended0 to the level of people complaining about it.
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Maybe it wasn’t made clear by me opening statement, but what really annoys me about Control Warrior in particular is that it’s a Spell Based Control deck, that only wins off of Odyn. (30-card version)
I had 2x Bladestorm, 2x Sanitize, 2x Bellowing Flames, x1 Brawl played against me turn after turn … it was miserable.
Turn 1 - 7:
Build Board → Lose Board (loop around)
Turn 8:
Odyn
Turn 9:
GG
Spell Based Control Decks are horrible decks to face and should not be a thing.
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Control decks control the board? I am shocked. I thought control decks flood the board with minions!
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As long as they control it by playing at least some minions.
Then I am happy.
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used to be that control dropped a good value cards to contest the board, hold clears for a more valuable clear, use weapons to trade hp for removals.
Used to be about VALUE. now there’s no value attached to the game, just what kills the opponent faster. when i try to make a deck in shaman, i am stuck in the whole value game. thus my decks never works.
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Armor warrior unlike combo druid or control warlock actually has a gigantic weakness in taunts since they have limited removal and rely on gigantic 15+ dmg swings face
Won many games simply by random 1/4 or 1/3 taunts stopping 20 dmg per turn
Was it old school Pure or was it Dude Paladin Pure? The Dude Paladin Pure has more reload than they can possibly remove. It is highly favored VS Warrior.
Good to have you here then to let us know what a minion is ‘mate’.
Next time tell us what a Spell is also.
I don’t want to be “that guy” but when I last checked HSReplay stats this morning, Control Warrior had a 49% winrate.
Paladin is a weird deck to play. I almost feel sorry for it when I use Secret Hunter against it, building huge boards of divine shield taunt huge minions to just lose to damage from my hand, I’m not even joking, I genuinely feel guilty.
Control Warrior generally loses to a lot of the current T1 meta decks and Enrage is the new “flavour of the month” which is why we’re seeing so many Tony Druids
You can be ‘that guy’, because it was more of a rant regarding the way the deck plays out regardless of win rate.
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Now imagine removals being worth their mana cost and opponent just dont refill every turn for less than your removals cost. Or just play a deck that dont need minions on board.
A lot of people focus on Odyn, but I actually don’t think it was the issue at all (as we can see now the deck has tanked in winrate and popularity).
Warrior was just TOO good at controlling the board and the game, had too many synergistic extremely solid cards, and had a pretty solid win condition in Odyn.
Odyn could have literally been any win condition at all and people would have hated it, but I think they were placing the blame on the wrong card, rather than the deck itself.
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I only play Paladin, & I have success with it. I play every deck as if it were designed for aggro, even if it wasn’t specifically. To beat a deck like Secret Hunter, I must develop my attack very quickly or I will probably lose the long game.
I make at least D5 every month & sometimes, though not often, Legend.
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I see Paladin as the “old faithful”.
It feels like no matter how a meta shifts, Paladin will always have an extremely solid deck in the meta. It’s usually not the most flashy or exciting deck, but it always gets the job done.
People very rarely complain about it, despite it’s usually T1 strength…
When I first started building my F2P account, I picked Paladin as my main class and I never regretted it.
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If we never got Odyn, Warrior would just be running BRNR Remornia and Trenchstalkers with Bellowing Flames and Sanitize. Control Warrior had win conditions since MotLK (hello Lor’themar and Last Stand), but the control tools were completely absent after Shield Shatter, Rancor, Outrider’s Axe, and Rokara left.
People who were saying that Warrior had no win condition in MotLK and FoL didn’t know what they were talking about. I will die on that hill.
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