I couldn’t believe my eyes when VS described beast Hunter as an honest deck. How is cheating out 7 mana minions on turn 4 honest? How is duplicating king krush 2 to three times honest? How is pulling your big minions out of your deck on turn 5 or 6 consistently honest?
I’m really baffled how this deck is called honest, it’s anything but, it’s about as bad a mana cheater as ramp druid prior to guff nerfs.
I guess your point begs the question: How bad is this meta that hunter is considered honest in comparison?
Because that’s what midrange does. Midrange has never been about playing big things from hand since Dr. 7.
As far as deck goes, It’s an plain and honest deck.
It has X cards and you know all their interactions. In stark contrast to something like BSM, whose cards you also know, but can’t predict what might happen in any given game.
Mana cheating is not dishonesty or a Boogeyman. It’s just the latest thing these forums latched on to criticize decks.
The only thing more cancerous than the current hunter after the mini set is the freeze mage
Tell this to the countless droves of players who complained about druids mana cheating enough that it got orbit nuked. I’m fairly confident the mana cheating in hunter decks is pretty much on par with what was in druid prior to nerfs, yet no one cries foul.
Any form of mana cheating is really crap if you ask me but most players just lap it up.
They did
They didn’t.
The devs didn’t target mana cheating in druid, they targeted the most popular archetypes in the meta. If someone has a real problem with resource cheating, they can’t play ANY CCG because it’s ubiquitous. There’s mana cheating every where, hearthstone included, since classic.
Do you think a Savana Highmane is worth 6 mana? Or a Sorcerer Apprentice is worth 2 mana?
We have been getting powerful effects that have no cost on the card since forever, since Undertaker Hunter.
For some bizarre reason, tho, people only complain when they see numbers go down or up, not when warrior get AoEs that in any other classes would cost 2 mana or more, or mage get 1 cost spells that would cost 2 mana or more in other classes, or priest get “conditional” (because they always work as a full clear any way) AoEs for 5-6 mana.
Mana cheating is everywhere. In this context, Beast Hunter just play his cards. It’s as honest as it gets. If you lose to beast hunter, you either didn’t account for a possibility, has a weak matchup or your deck is simply lower in power level.
i thought “honest” was a word used for decks without random card generation
Someone could take issue with the amount of mana cheating. The dose makes the poison, after all.
I also thought it was a weird characterization of the deck. It cheats out big minions before most decks can handle them, by relying on specific, synergetic pieces. And, of course, renethal. None of that seem particularly “honest”.
It’s the most honest in a line-up of liars.
Well put. Modern medicine, by and large, is poison in small doses .
And just to put things in perspective this deck has effectively mana cheating at pre nerf ramp druid levels.
“The surgeon general warned today that saliva causes stomach cancer. But apparently only when swallowed in small amounts over a long period of time.”
George Carlin
Haha, this seems like a wild and blatant case of the correlation vs causation fallacy typical of amateur/arm-chair scientists/statisticians.
Not clear if this quote is tongue-in-cheek (I hope it is!) but if not, the author should enrol themselves in a basic course on statistics that discusses the major differences between causal and statistical inference.
I hope you weren’t referring to George Carlin as “The author”.
If so take a minute and look him up.
You do know who George Carlin is right? Probably one of the most famous comedians from the last 50 years.
You still have to play it for its full cost, which is 9
It isn’t honest, but it’s less consistent than what other crazy decks can do (evolve shaman, miracle rogue).
I wouldn’t have buffed the weapon, it was fine as it was at release.
It’s how the deck works.
On turn 5 you pay 5 mana for a minion that summons a 5 mana beast from your deck.
That’s the most vanilla recruit effect ever.
Implock and aggro druid can build bigger boards on turn 5
No no, guff was disgusting and it’s still strong.
12 mana on turn 6 is way more unbalanced than hydra on 4.
If you have problems with hunter, try to play a control deck like curse lock (not the 40 cards abomination with imps, an actual curse lock) or probably also mage or warrior.
Hunter is good against fast decks, since it can contest the board, but if you can control their board you are in an advantage.
It’s an honest deck because it doesn’t scam wins too early (unless hydra is played on 4 against aggro, then it’s gg) and in the late game it can’t recover from an unwinnable position (like with rune of the archmage or denatrious).
What would you consider fair in terms of playstyle?
Is an aggro druid that either wins or loses by turn 6 with a 50% winrate fair?
well hydra on turn 4 happens one in 50 games maybe? I can put onyxia on turn 3 as shaman too with some rng, you know mine rogue can put 4 5/8 taunts on the board turn like 4. Dude in what wolrd you live in if you complain about beast hunter mana cheats. I mean yes it’s more consistent deck then mine rogue but not because it’s rng mana cheats.
Oh yes a thread for noobs to complain about hunters gotta love it.
The reason why hunter is concidered honest is because its the epitomey of balance rn. What i mean is all classes should have there powe balanced like hunter is.
Other classes get 1 or 2 insainly overpowered cards then they have 2 get nerfed. Hunter gets a overtuned card then it gets fix and the class is fine.
The devs keep trying to dux classes with 1 or 2 completly over powered cards. Vs balancing there strength like hunter.
All classes should have there cards power levels balanced like hunter is.
There isnt a really OP cards just lots of strong cards balanced over the whole class.
All classes should have decks with synergy as good as hunter.
The devs need to look at hunter as a template and for the next expansion make cards for the other classes that balance it and give synergy like hunter has.
The other clases rn are just basiclt mostly like this
They sit back wait for there “solitare” then you gotta hope and pray u have the right removals or right disruption/removals/counters to stop there insaine cruve play. If you dont just push conceed.
Feeling your pain here. Been running a hero power/secret mage with moderate success. I successfully Objectioned the beast hunter’s turn 4 Hydra, so I’m immediately thinking this is a huge momentum shift. Then, BOOM, next turn is 4 cost bear. I know that’s high roll af to have both of those cards in the bottom 4 in a 40 card deck, but the 3 mana discount is just too much. I get why they did it in respect to the meta at the time, but it’s changed again and should be reverted back to 2 mana discount.
If that’s a 1 in 50 then i really got sh*t on when I objectioned the turn 4 Hydra just to get a turn 5 mountain bear. What do you think the statistical chances of both of those cards being in the bottom 4 of a 40 card deck are?