I really don’t know why everyone is saying Brann Warrior isn’t good. It’s absolutely amazing. I was playing Control Warrior previous from D5-D1 and hit D1 with 3 stars then fumbled all the way back down to around D4 due to being countered by a lot of people playing Brann Warrior, Sludge Warlock and Rainbow DK in that area.
That was before the nerfs.
Then the nerfs happened and I decided to just try Brann Warrior. Absolutely ridiculous how strong this deck is. I just zipped to Legend with it and went 14-2. I encountered Rainbow Mage, Mining Mage, other Brann and Control Warrior decks, Rogues and Rainbow DK. My only loss was against a Rainbow Mage and a Rogue who got out an early 12/3 dagger.
Granted, Plague DK is the hard counter and that would hurt facing that, but that’s really the only deck where you feel like your matchup is one sided.
I think the stats on HL Warrior are grotesquely misrepresented.
Why? Because if you go to HSReplay and look at HL Warrior labeled decks, you will see Control Warrior decks running Reno with no Brann. You will see massive duplicated decks that look nothing like Brann Warrior. They are counting ANY Warrior deck with Reno in it “Highlander Warrior”
The deck is insanely good. It’s a good thing Astalor is rotating out, because this deck would be a monster. It also has all the Odyn BS Control Warrior has, so even if you can’t Brann, you could win with Odyn shenanigans.
Here’s the deck I played
### Brann/Odyn Warrior
# Class: Warrior
# Format: Standard
#
# 1x (1) Armor Vendor
# 1x (1) Sir Finley, Sea Guide
# 1x (1) Slam
# 1x (2) Astalor Bloodsworn
# 1x (2) Bash
# 1x (2) Bladestorm
# 1x (2) Blast Charge
# 1x (2) Kobold Miner
# 1x (2) Needlerock Totem
# 1x (2) Shield Block
# 1x (2) Stoneskin Armorer
# 1x (3) Bellowing Flames
# 1x (3) Heavy Plate
# 1x (3) Reinforced Plating
# 1x (3) Steam Guardian
# 1x (4) Aftershocks
# 1x (4) Craftsman's Hammer
# 1x (4) E.T.C., Band Manager
# 1x (2) Kobold Miner
# 1x (4) Igneous Lavagorger
# 1x (4) School Teacher
# 1x (4) Ignis, the Eternal Flame
# 1x (4) School Teacher
# 1x (5) Brawl
# 1x (5) Burrow Buster
# 1x (5) Sanitize
# 1x (6) Deepminer Brann
# 1x (6) Trial by Fire
# 1x (7) Badlands Brawler
# 1x (7) General Vezax
# 1x (8) Odyn, Prime Designate
# 1x (8) Reno, Lone Ranger
# 1x (8) Tidal Revenant
#
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I think rainbow mage absolutely obliterates it. Any warrior really. It’s just a little tricky to pilot. I don’t really think the deck is good ngl. You can compete with it without an issue but as soon as you get to the most tryhard meta it falls off big time rn. It behaves a little bit like a noob deck (I mean in performance terms, not talking about skill here)
It was shining for a while just now even at top legend but mostly because of the amount of other warriors. Now with mages and rogues dominating it’s in a rough spot, I predict it will continue to decline in wr as time passes. Rogue and mage are pretty rough matchups and those two are the best performers rn so as soon as everyone picks them up show’s over for HL.
And plague DK is still not going anywhere, since noobs have a fascination with that junk no matter how bad it is (sorry plague enjoyers I just hate you 
).
I generally concede to this deck the moment they have played Brann + Astalor 2 drop.
It’s not worth continuing the game after that 99% of the time.
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But if the 2 bad matchups are Rainbow Mage and Plague DK and Rogue (not all)…and that’s it, then how is the deck bad? It has a small amount of bad matchups and then obliterates everything else.
I played against 2 aggro paladins in that small sitting and I thought Aggro Paladin would eat me alive. Not even close. Destroyed them. The armor gain is entirely too good. Aftershock is busted.
And the Rainbow Mage matchup isn’t actually that bad. VS has it at 50/50
I think the problem is HOW you build Brann Warrior. I see a lot of really iffy includes in Brann Warrior…like people are running Renathal Brann Warrior (wtf?).
Lorthemar Brann Warrior, etc.
If you look at VS it has 4 bad matchups, everything else is green or even. I don’t understand how that’s bad. Control Warrior has MORE bad matchups and everyone is acting like it’s the next Sludge Warlock.
I keep having the same problem since TITANS in this matchup though, that being Armor stacking.
Warriors have quite an easy time stacking Armor against the low pressure that Mage applies and become unable to be combo’d.
Could you go into detail on how Mage wins against Warrior, maybe I am missing something.
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Control warrior best deck in the game and I will enjoy tears of control warrior fanboys when it’s finally gets nerfed.
I think overall warrior gas to much too efficient removal to stay alive at too much cheap card draw to get to odyn fast. So we probably are looking at at least 2 cards that should get nerfed here.
The only downside of this deck is how f*** boring it is to play. After 50 wins I gave up. It’s like a pure paladin of control decks. Play the green cards hit face.
I also think the 8 mana reno card should get nerfed it completely invalidates any late game board based strategy. And the fact that the best warrior deck doesn’t even run duplicates but can use reno because of sheer op card draw it has is mind boggling.
I could climb to 1k legend eith that deck easy but I can’t force myself to play a deck that plays the same every single game.
Well yeah I am off that train even since before knowing what the patch was gonna be haha. There I agree.
I don’t think it’s bad bad, it’s just going to enter a really rough meta. It isn’t just that it has those bad matchups; it’s that those bad matchups are absolutely winning most everything else as well, so popularity is going to increase more and more. That’s what I mean with bad. It’s good in another meta, bad in this one (or so it seems, it’s kinda early tbf). A bit like pala. It’s objectively busted but it has no place in top legend rn.
The Sif combo in that match quickly becomes irrelevant for this reason, agreed (although it depends, you can still pressure enough to get a window for otk).
The bread and butter of that deck rn is really the buffed Shaper. You just need to stack on cheap spells (and as many 0 stuffs like coins and Snake oils), and then fire off a value RNG fiesta against them. It looks like it’s just luck but it isn’t. You are literally vomiting mana cheated value at it and ending it with a Rommath or with Sif. You can get unlucky if you get awful rolls or don’t draw a shaper at all; but this is most times enough to outvalue a warrior quickly and turn it into a green matchup.
People are quite tilted about the deck because of the rng but it actually is some of the most skill intensive stuff I have played in a while, you gotta think very carefully about this rng fiesta lol
Ok here’s the thing. I filter Brann Warrior for Legend Rank only. It’s Green against Rainbow Mage.
This is what I’m talking about. Something is up. People’s experience against this deck vs reality isn’t aligning.
And I go to HSReplay
Top1K Legend
Rainbow Mage
Best matchup = Plague DK
Worst matchup = Highlander Warrior
Wtf is going on
Well there are a few factors there, I think that data is a bit unreliable yet because rainbow mage with shaper is very rapidly getting polished and there are a lot of different lists that don’t perform so well vs warrior (running Reverberations against warrior is a bad idea imo for instance). And it’s a new playstyle that changes quite a bit from the usual rainbow mage so I think a lot of people are just not piloting it very well.
That said, maybe time proves you right and I am wrong, this is just my experience and my impressions. I have been playing that deck a lot and I wouldn’t say Brann Warrior is a free win in the least, but it definitely feels favored to me.
Edit: also, forgot to mention. Going hard on secrets really gets on warriors nerves.
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Yeah, Mining Mage seemed more of an issue with the Secret Package. However, once you bypass Objection and get Brann down, it’s over. Armor gain is insane. They had me to 4 health and just like that I gained 24 armor and completely out of reach.
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Warrior definitely crushes plague DK, take it from a plague DK enjoyer with 10/3 on the deck
I dunno about rainbow vs Warrior cuz I dont care
Also, mage should be a favorite against brann warrior, and if it isn’t, it just means people are still learning to pilot the deck
Besides, the same confusion you noticed between various warrior builds can be said about the mage, too
How do you even split rainbow from casino mage when 90% of the deck is the same? It’s kinda sus. Everyone runs a slightly different versionn.
I wouldn’t trust those data.
One look at what streamers are playing is much more precise. All you see is mage, rogue and warrior getting spammed.
I’m looking at that data though and Rainbow Mage folds to Brann Warrior. I’m not talking about Control Warrior. Specifically Brann Warrior. This is at Top1KLegend. So the entire “people are still learning to pilot it” doesn’t make sense at Top1K
And now you’re saying Warrior crushes Plague DK, and yet all the stats have it heavy red in favor of Plague DK.
This is exactly what I’m talking about.
People are saying 1 thing.
Stats say another.
I’m starting to think Brann Warrior decks are so vastly different that the “good” versions are getting hidden behind the bad ones?
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I made the argument because I tried the new Rommath Mage and was unable of OTK’ing a Warrior.
It’s as you say, if you are somewhat lucky you cheat out some stats to chip the Warrior, trying to get them to the OTK range. But still the Armor stacking in the midgame after some removals, can make you be out of range, and by then you’ve lost the lead and is forced to sit back and allow the Warrior to accumulate Armor passively.
I will say Casino Mage is more favorable compared to regular Sif Mage against Warrior, but I don’t think it will actually become Mage favored, because we have the past as proof. Warrior was countering Sif Mage back when it was Tier 1 because of the Armor stacking … now with even more removals and better cards, it’s more likely to make it Warrior favored as time passes. It will just not be completely one-sided like back then because of the factor of RNG.
Still I don’t think that the one to classify as Warrior counter is Mage in any way.
The Class is build to lose to Warrior since TITANS.
For mage it absolutely does, because
a) the optimal deck list still hasn’t been found,
b) streamers are just copying the decks from others and trying to understand it, while half of them (or more) don’t even like the mage playstyle. they’re just “forced” to jump on the hype train
I don’t know about Brann warriors. Definitely there’s a case of too much versions
Or, i might just be wrong because I’m nowhere near top 1K legend
I don’t think the optimal deck for Brann has been found for sure, but that’s likely the case for Rainbow Mage as well. But at Top1KLegend on HSReplay it shows Rainbow Mage’s WORST match up is Highlander Warrior.
I don’t know how that stat can get turned around where suddenly Rainbow Mage’s best matchup is Highlander Warrior.
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I don’t know, maybe cuz warriors had months of practice and this is a new deck?
Maybe I’m just wrong cuz I’m stuck at 6-9k
wouldn’t bet on anything
Well that stat does puzzle me a bit. Even if you think about how warrior can easily get out of reach of mage otk; you’d think that would hold even more true to normal control warrior because… well, it’s literally running two of everything.
I do think rainbow lists are all over the place but I also think it’s nowhere near as hard to pilot that top1000 players wouldn’t get it quickly. So idk, I’d want to see bigger sample sizes to know for sure but it does feel strange; maybe you are right idk.
Last night I watched most of Nohands stream as he spammed Reno warrior (Renathal version tho) and the way he was getting stomped by mages was hilarious. He even ended up switching to mage after getting to like 35% mage WR.
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That’s what I’m talking about
There’s absolutely no way for any control warrior matchup to deal with mage, it’s just too much value which you can’t play around cuz it’s all random
Hell I never made a winning deck in my life, but the very first homebrew value mage I made beat warrior consistently. Any warrior.
Warrior doesn’t play around anything … other Classes play around Warrior.
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