Denialism is as denialism does.
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You had me googling there you know.
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So then something like 80% of your opponents below Diamond were just decks full of neutral minions that require zero packs opened to have. And you just kept beating these ridiculously weak opponents over and over again and thought to yourself that this is totally normal, just some new players who totally normally grinded their way to Gold without opening the deckbuilder once. Is that what youâre telling us?
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La, la, la, laâŚ
I canât hear you.
In my case, grinded to Platinum before the 2nd of the month began. Because thatâs something that totally normal people can do with neutral.dec in a single day while still eating and sleeping.
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Yes there is.
Have you honestly never played against a player created bot? Honestly?
Not to my knowledge. It would never occur to me to wonder anything at all about my opponent. I note the class & their name, but I donât make a judgement about their name or their play pattern. Iâm busy piloting my own deck.
You misunderstand the problem; the real people are not gone from there randomly; thereâs a good reason they do not exist in those low ranks.
There are star bonuses and rank floors; they guarantee ranking; even if with no bonuses at all (including streaks): the floors alone can do it.
I would remove both the bonuses and the rank floors; it would make ranks meaningful at representing skill; bonus: it solves your issue.
If you play wild a lot youâll see tons of them, especially in the D5 area. I have shown people them and precisely predict their play pattern and those spectating can confirm. I can tell you what they will highlight, in order, what they will play or do first and how to definitively check the bot at the end of game by not ending the game on purpose and seeing how they play and react and when they conceded and exactly how they concede.
Once you see it, itâs obvious imo.
I donât see many in standard, only maybe 2 or 3, but wild is infested.
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No, its you that is nonsense.
Your inability to detect bots doesnt mean they dont exist. Hundreds of thousands of bots banned in the last 6 months shows this.
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and this is why you dont recognise when you are facing a bot. You are TOO focused on your own game play to even consider your opponents play.
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Yeah, these are bots and they are free wins. I faced two in D5 when i was doing my monthly climb. I had to do a double take when they started playing these cards from hand. I think the bigger mystery might be how they got to D4 in Standard with a deck like that?
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Same for me from Diamon 10 to 5 so far. Have faced 3 of them so far, once back to back. Actually felt bad for them when I saw the deck but since they are bots I guess I feel better. The funny part is defending these as non bots LMAO It is pretty obvious.
Brute force. you are playing x-hours a day. Bots are âplayingâ 24 hours a day.
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They play aggro decks non stop all day. theyâre going to win games just by defeating an opponent on turn 6 if they have a bad opening few turns. not to mention the number of bot on bot match ups theyâre surely experiencing. I bet at least 60% of the daily active users in hearthstone are bots at this point if theyâre reaching diamond 5 and above.
I donât have numbers on the entire playerbase, but if we just look at PC players with a tracker installed (either HSR or Firestone), 42% of the playerbase is Diamond 5 or higher. (Source : vicious Syndicate.) Itâs not a big accomplishment or anything to get to D5. So no, itâs pretty much impossible that 60% or more of the players are bots, thatâs basically saying that 100% of players who are D6 or below are bots.
Iâd estimate itâs more like a quarter of the playerbase. Which is still really bad, itâs just thereâs no need to exaggerate.
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Hiya,
Can see youâre getting into the weeds here on the forum because people are silly and they willy no doubt want to show that silliness off for all the world to see. I feel bad watching it happen.
Anyhow, I just wanted to validate what you are saying. While it is not possible to be sure ever, and when we are clicking the BOTTING report button there is always going to be a chance that we are getting it wrong. That being said, I think blizzard knows that and I also think weâre right more than weâre wrong. I just played 5 games at Diamond 5-4 and one of them was against a human and the other 4 were almost surely BOTS. Here is what I noticed throughout those games and what I considered along the way.
- The names are almost always the same. They are madeup of two weird words smashed together, the second capitalized, or the name is complete gibberish. Examples, the last five games I played I am pretty sure were all (save 1) bots. Iâll get into the other evidence in a minute, but check out their names.
- JadeBat
- TealWolf
- CoralWhisp
- cmdcspisgu74
- They are always, for sure, playing high aggro/tempo decks that are simple to play but very effective. Humans play these decks too. But BOTS for SURE play them. The four last games I played against the individuals above were actually all the exact same deck. Which was.
- Mech Rogue
- Token Druid
- Unholy DK
- âŚ
You get the idea. These are the obvious ones, but I donât discount any tokens decks from other classes, like Paladin. Itâs just that a lot of humans are also playing these decks too, so take it into consideration. Just a note, so to speak!
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They never quit until the very end. And only then when they are completely finished their turn and they see they are dead ON THE BOARD, they concede. Before that. Never. If the win condition isnât on the board in stats? Never. It has to be on the board obvious and only then, at the end of their turn, they throw in the towel.
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They never respond. When I am thinking I have a bot I start by saying hello and trying to chat. When I get nothing back, as I do often from Humans too. itâs another thing to âconsiderâ but is not enough on itâs own to get me thinking this is a BOT.
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The portrait, 90% of the time, is standard ones. They almost never use cosmetic ones.
How does this play out for me? I start the game and see the weird name and portrait and say hello. No answer? Okay. Play on. Mech Rogue. Same deck. Since I know whatâs coming itâs not hard to bring them down though sometimes they do get me. Get them pinned into a corner and force them to concede and watch and wait for when they do. Following the game Iâll try and friend them in the HOPES they are human and if they do not respond then I go ahead and report them as âpossibleâ BOTTERS.
Frustrating enough to play mostly the same deck over and over again, but such is the game and that is human nature. Iâve come to terms with that and still play the game knowing itâll only be once in awhile I get a really good game. Playing bots though at low diamond is frustrating. To get to this point by climbing on the backs of all these bots feels unearned because there were few humans involved except perhaps myself in the entire brutally painful grind through the monotony of one bot after another after another. Me winning most. Them winning enough to frustrate the hell out of me. Me also being forced to play certain decks to counter the bots that I donât want to play and likely wouldnât have to otherwise. I digress.
The bots are real.
You canât ever be totally sure.
But please, REPORT REPORT REPORT. I donât know that Blizzard can or cares to solve the issue, but at least I can say, as a play who loves the game, Iâm doing whatever I can to help with getting rid of these leeches on the lifeblood that is still a pretty good game.
Wemedge
I think this lines up more with what Mountaineer was saying. The obvious bots are the ones playing crap like Worgen Infiltrator and Stalking Tiger. A lot of the players playing âactualâ decks are actually human beings.
This is something that a lot of humans do. Like every single time you see a complaint thread about Enter the Waygate Mage, thatâs a human being who refuses to ever press the concede button.
A lot of humans squelch immediately at the start of every game. They hate emotes.
No, the portrait 100% of the time is the standard one or a âfree custom.â Anyone with a nonstandard portrait is guaranteed not a bot â unless the portrait can be achieved easily, currently, and for free.
The important thing to understand is why bots exist and their life cycle. Botting exists because there is a black market demand to buy accounts with godly Arena decks, for real money. So bots exist to farm a huge pile of gold on Ranked, then use gold to draft Arena deck, then if deck isnât godly retire it and draft again, until successful. The botter understands that not every bot is going to make it, some will be reported/detected and banned before they can complete the life cycle, so the botter doesnât want to invest any more into a bot account than necessary. Quantity over quality.
This minimalism is why the most common bot deck is a deck you can make with zero packs opened; itâs why the majority of bots now are anything but Mage (because Mage is the default class, therefore the most attractive to botters, and Blizzard has already figured this out and watches Mages more closely); and itâs why youâre never ever going to see a Nemsy bot.
If youâre reporting anyone for botting who doesnât have a standard portrait, youâre adding noise to the signal and doing harm.