if demon hunter is playing pirates and has the windfury pirate on both sides he gets to attack twice with the left most minion, the right most minion twice each which when playing pirates can be doing stuff like buffing your entire board for 3/3 and the attacking pirates for +4/4 and then they can also be chosen to attack first for 2 more attacks ?
that can’t be right ?if you are playing attack buff pirates you just auto lose to that? did blizzard not take DH into consideration when making pirates ?
This can also be done with scallywag. Although you only get 5 attacks max with that.
I’m pretty sure they designed pirates with Illidan in mind, actually.
It took him from trash tier to still below average but sometimes playable.
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This is a clever use of illidan.
Did the Illidan have two properly placed cannons or not?
I’m actually suprised that you didnt post that on bug report topics xD
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the only reason I am playing hearthstone at all is battlegrounds because I don’t like constructed due to it’s “cheat mechanics” like cheat on stats, cheat on cost or otks, instant board returns etc.
with pirates they just added a bunch of “cheat mechanics” several to help skipping leveling and now a bunch of new minions that get to cheat on turn order.
several games I am just sitting watching in an automated game where I have little control how my opponent is skipping all my attack turns… it’s such crappy feeling mechanic.
now losing every turn every game more than ever with this new patch 
So what interactions are you okay with? It sounds like you’re saying you are only okay with things that have a number on them without any abilities that change that number?
If that is the case then unfortunately I think you’re rarely going to find satisfaction, games tend to evolve past that really quickly or they die out because people get bored.
lol hs wouldn’t let me quote you because your name contains words that are not allowed to be posted on the forum, watch that!
the short answer is I like most abilities except ones that feel unfair.
like what is fair about an opponent by pure RNG being given a 3/3 that sells for 3 gold and a minion that reduces the cost of leveling by 1, meaning next turn they get to level one turn sooner reroll and buy a minion from that tier ?
whats fair about your opponent being able to attack you over 5 times while you have to sit and do nothing and watch as he wipes your board out without it doing any retaliation?
those are the only 2 mechanics that come off as anti fun and if they pollute bgs with it more minions like that I feel it could end up taking the same direction as constructed
The 3/3 that sells for 3 gold and the level-cost-reducing minion are fair because anyone can use them. Sure they don’t help that much if you’d rather have another race, but even pirates won’t use those two in the late game. They’re just small minions that anyone can cycle through if they want or if nothing better pops up.
“fair because anyone can use them” it is balanced because it is random TM blizzard 2014 to Present
my point is everyone is racing, whoever is getting highest first with the most triples just wins because they get pick of the best minions and snowball?
quite often I am now seeing games where just hitting someone for 21+ damage on 9 gold turn is a common thing, they made the game too fast
Game is way too fast now. Been seeing ppl die in tavern 4 quite a bit. Tier 5 is now lategame and tier 6 is ultra late game. I got some great pirates midgame and killed every player i came across and BG over by turn 12. That was never happening before. Pirates are just way too strong. Also with everyone using macaw beasts swipe is better than ever as beasts dont have taunt for much of the game.
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Lol yeah I sometimes can’t reply to my own threads because of that.
To answer your question, it depends what you mean by fair. It’s a game with assymetrical abilities so there’s always something that one player has and the other doesn’t.
Worth noting though, Illidan isn’t even good, Pirates or no. Remember that when he attacks you he takes damage to his board too, so if he’s dismantling your whole board without losing anything, he was going to win that fight with or without his ability.
If he’s really wrecking you that hard, just have better stuff. The most “unfair” heroes right now would probably be Rafaam or Hooktusk going for Saurolisk comp, just because they’re so much stronger than everything else.
Rafaam is kinda crazy. I recently played demons and faced a fellow demon user late in the game. I beat him or her and got my third soul juggler in the process. I doubt if I would have got that triple with any other hero. Even without luck, Rafaam gets a one-gold minion on most turns.
Fully agree with you… This mode was as good as perfect when it came out, the cards tiers and types were perfectly in balance and where a player could still work around bad draws if they bought the right minions and positioned them well.
Then they brought in dragons, which instantly made it nearly impossible to work around bad draws, as 1 or 2 bad draws early on in the game instantly cost you half of your heroes hp or more… And now after they’ve implemented pirates, it turned into a lottery…
When the game first came out, I estimate the outcome of a game was 70% determined by a player’s skill and 30% was down to luck.
Then after the dragon update, it became an awful lot more random and 40% was determined by a player’s skill and 60% was down to luck.
Now after the pirates update, 25% or less comes down to a player’s skill and 75% or more is down to luck.
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Skill in the game now is rolling macaws while on turn 2 or getting saurolisks in tier 1 as hooky and also can you hit concede before u lose to pirates and take 25 dmg when helper says 100% to lose and adds in git gud because you got crushed that hard
This post is about BG not standard.
Since the idiots hijacked this into a standard whine and cheese discussion I’ll get it back on track. I did this with Zapp. Nuked opps cannons while firing my own
Zapp is tons better now. You can get macaws, barons, and cannons, ect. Zapp is back to being an all star tech choice
Sorry, just having multiple tabs opened. Was reading a post and replied to another.