I was playing a match against a priest and I knew my opponent had a soul mirror. When I discovered a secret (freazing trap) off of rinling’s rifle. I was like they are going play soul mirror than attack with mutanus. They did just that and gave me the victory.
It really seems, because everyone plays the same deck the same way they are easiest to counter.
https://hsreplay.net/replay/2RPULqwgiYBR4jJXsKJwVPThat’s how you know they just copy and paste meta decks and only know how to pilot them to higher ranks. You don’t see them in legendary I’m assuming. I wouldn’t know. I haven’t been there xD
I get tired of seeing complaints on the forms of people being beating by a meta deck. Even saw I commit that homebrew was not possible. So with this post my intent is to try an encourage some of the forum users to create their own homebrew and get comfortable with it, because meta decks are extremely predictable giving you the advantage. we don’t need to stop net decking as the ones who net deck take a trade off of no longer keeping their deck secret from you.
wow, SMOrc priest!
Imagine trading against hunter, whose only win condition is having a board
Tell me again… why wouldn’t you play soul mirror as priest?
Umm… isn’t that the point of “Meta”.
Hence, why when creating, or piloting a deck one uses “Tech” cards for hard counters.
Could it be that “They” play decks the same because of the win condition of said deck means to follow a particular strategy?
One has to also consider positive, or negative match-ups with a particular class as well.
I am not saying a priest should not play soul mirror, but in this case it was more of an ordering issue that was preemptively assumed to happen, because secrets (like freezing trap and pack tactics for multiple copies of teachers pets when they are placed on the left of the board) can punish soul mirror.
As DLMdD stated
The priest put to much value on keeping mutanus on the board.
Well, you said ‘‘everybody plays the same decks’’
It turns out that after a while, the best possible decks get figured out by the good players and everyone end up playing them because they want to win and play optimized lists.
Can you really blame someone for wanting to play the best version of his deck ?
In this world, if you play trash homebrew decks, you get stomped.
stop trolling people.
Definitely not. However, I would say that when the meta settles is the best time to do homebrew decks. Having a meta where each strategy is the same through deck and play stile allows homebrew decks to mess up your opponents muligans and entire game, because they expect you to also be playing a meta deck and the homebrew deck has the advantage by knowing the opponents deck. Playing unique homebrew decks can actually be a strategy to combating against meta decks.
He is not trolling me. I really did not do a good job at writing a conclusion to my original post.
So, a new xpac rolls around, the metagame stabilizes and competitive players start using the best deck lists out there.
There is one variable you are forgetting in this argument: the pilot.
“Oh, another Priest. I know whats coming…I’m going to play this counter spell so I can keep my board.”
T7 passes to Priest. They throw out the coin (you forgot they had) or maybe some other 0 cost spell they discovered and there goes your counter spell…and your board.
Whereas some other priests might play into the counter spell because they don’t know any better or are playing too fast.
“Odd Paladin matches are short: that’s why I like them.”
This is because you are facing pilots that take their boards for granted. I protect and keep my board as much as possible. This allows me to hold into refills longer so I can hopefully, stabilize the board and take my win.
Stating “every meta deck plays the same” is a bit misguided. To the untrained eye, I mulligan and receive Loatheb, Leroy, and some other late game minions. They might view this match as a lost one.
But I don’t know unless I try. I work with my bad mulligans and play the odds in unflavored match ups. I’ve tweaked and tweaked and tweaked my deck numerous times since Baku released.
I know exactly what cards are in my deck, what purpose they serve, and why I need them. It’s not a matter of “copy, paste, win.” It’s a matter of knowing your deck, why these cards are in your deck, and a clearly defined win condition.
Its how you deal with bad mulligans and un favored match ups that determine whether you win or lose.
I’m very sorry but players want to play optimized decks that win. A lot of people like to play cards. You see very few people actually printing their own cards to use.
Not all of us are Johnny’s that enjoy the nuts and bolts of how cards work.
I’m a Spike, through and through. I am in it to win it and I will use the meta decks I like to play to get there. But I have to know those decks to utilize them to their utmost ability. I have to take chances, take losses, and evaluate each and every match.
Just because I’m a Spike that enjoys winning and aggro decks doesn’t make me any less talented of a player.
And just because you have a homebrew deck doesn’t make you any less talented of a player.
And I guarantee that some player, some where, has the exact same deck as you do. With such a massive playerbase and so few cards, it is astronomically impossible for you to have a competitive homebrew.
That doesn’t make any sense.
The defining characteristic of a meta deck is that it’s among the best decks that have been figured out by the millions of people playing this game.
Once the meta settles those decks undergo refinement making them faster, more lethal, and more versatile than in the first week of an expansion.
It doesn’t matter that I mulligan incorrect against a trash deck when my Pirate Warrior, Face Hunter, Control Warrior, Miracle Rogue, or whatever is the most lethal and effective.
Homebrew decks are at their best when those decks I mentioned are in the theory crafted forms, with high variability, depending on which theory crafter is followed by the deck pilot.
My response to this will not have data that has been stored anywhere, but when I have used my homebrew decks they are the strongest the first day after a new expansion, then it drops off as the meta finally starts to pinpoint the direction it will go. When the meta settles I find the homebrew decks begin to pick up in their win rates again. This could be from Opponents not expecting what is coming, the deck being adjusted to fit the main opposition in the meta, the time it takes the operator to get comfortable with their homebrew deck against different decks etc.
We’re in partial agreement. The best time any deck that doesn’t eventually become one of the top decks is when nobody knows what the top decks are.
I can’t talk about your personal experiences. Remember that every single one of us has experiences in the game that differ in one way or another from the so called “average” for the player base as a whole. But for the average player any decks outside the top 10 decks are going to fare the same or worse over time as the top decks assume their final most lethal forms.