There you go
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I’m completely okay with the tokens. That new damage cap has got to go though. All that does is make every lobby a rush to tier 6. No need to even buy minions before minimum tier 3 under those rules.
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I’m both excited and terrified at the same time.
New minions. Fun.
Rerolls? Ok.
More Rerolls if you pay $$$?
Damage cap in Solos going lower?
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I expected the pay to play aspect to go up at some point. They had to do something to monetize the format better and this seems like a good compromise. It’s not perfect but acceptable to me. That Damage cap change is a horrible idea.
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I don’t understand why they haven’t quite gotten the idea that if they want to make money off literally ANY MODE, all they need to do is make cosmetics.
League of Legends has proven without any shadow of a doubt that cosmetics generate the most money. Completely free to play. Zero advantages when spending money. Money = Cosmetics. Makes $$$ hand over fist.
Seriously, why are they so ignorant of this?
Here’s an idea. Make minions cosmetic. Shocking idea, I know. They are sitting on a gold mine of untapped potential and it’s never crossed their mind I bet.
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Pretty much this.
I’m 100% for removing the damage cap entirely. People need to learn to play.
Me too. And I also don’t mind reroll tokens.
What are you talking about. They make like 1 card a week and a mini subsystem every few months. A fresh out of college coder would do it for minimum wage.
It’s pure greed, and I’m not falling for it.
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What are you talking about? You will need to expand on what you said because that makes no sense.
I think what Carnivore meant is that they put very little effort into BGs so they dont need to Milk it for every Penny,
and while i dont completely agree with that steatment i absolutely agree that Mechanical Advantages in BG should not be purchasable. Sell all the Skins, Animations, Emotes or Whatever else you want, i dont care, but do not sell Advantages.
And i know that the Pass already gives you +2 Heroes, but that was already stretching it, and using it as a Defense here is just approving their “Slowly increasing the Dose” Strategy worming more and more consumer-unfriendly Monetization into the game.
Maybe your limit is not reached now,
but maybe its with the Battlepass ++ Letting you start on Tavern Level 2,
Battlepass +++ Letting you ignore that Pesky Damage Cap
or maybe it will only be reached at the Premium Deluxe Pass that just lets you eliminate any non-Paying player from the current Game.
Where is the Line?
To me its Where Game Mechanics and Real Money touch.
And Blizzard will continue on this path unless we, as a community, stand united at Every line they try to cross.
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I don’t think Blizzard want me to play Hearthstone. First they get rid of my favourite mode Duels, now they make the only remaining mode that’s fun to play, pay to win. Why do things always have to get worse for players? Absolutely no customer loyalty exists anymore.
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They easily put about as much effort into BG’s as they do constructed. Certainly the situations you listed could cause major issues but those aren’t in game yet. I’m not all that happy with the changes but i am fine with what they did and we always knew they would monetize the mode more.
The armor changes are still the biggest problem i see coming.
Whu people play game to get stomped by players who spend a dollar everygame to get op hero. they are stupid.
Why would you ever play with a disadvantage in a game that you play for fun. Just so that others who spend a dollar have someone to win against. If you spend sure its fine. But playing without spending is just dumb. Then better find other game. This game is not worth 1 dollar per game for me so i wont.
Blizz will prob add bots i think. Because this game will drop players like crazy now. Then you can spend a dollar to select a hero when playing against a bot. Seems like a good deal to me. Do people actually fall for that?
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Yes though it’s not completely stupid to play with a handicap as F2P. You “take it into account” so if you rank to something then you feel “I could rank even better if I P2W’ed (maybe)”.
But since it contaminates what the rankings even mean it’s generally bad for the game.
Activision always had an infestation of the logic “short term profits first”,
it probably harms their long term profits if people just leave.
I think its gonna turn out very badly for bg.
They will lose a lot of players directly as well as in the long run.
And here comes the thing:they will get only little sales in return for this.
This gonna sell badly after the hype.its not reliable enough. You can still get crap rerolling. Then blizz has to rig even more things.
Its not viable to reroll every now and then. Thats the gameplay blizz envisions for the non whales i asume but they not gonna spend on it. Is either reroll everything every game or not at all. The middle ground is actually the least satisfying experience for players. Because there will be more situations where you miss and roll into a weaker hero lol. So then the emotions start. Quick reroll again. Next one will ve good for sure. No thats gonna be very frustrating in the lonf run. Not very fun at all.
I dont get why they did,it just kills the game. To give up on fairplay. Who even want play game and pay for an advantage. How is that fun.
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I believe since Activision there’s an infestation of Executives who are myopic to profits beyond the short term. I mean they probably pull a new scheme to leech money and it DOES make money initially but they are myopic to see the future after that first income. Basically people may pay now but the long term prospect might be fewer players in total.
Look at the cash cow (WoW) how it turned out: the internet has 10 times more users and the game has 10 times fewer players. “Happenstance because the game is old” is not very convincing to me; it could at least have the same players; you basically made it 100 times less popular.
I dunno. I think blizzard is dillusional if they think they can milk bg with paid incremental advantages. They are free to try and good for them if succeed. But i think they dont really believe in it either. They dont even invest in new tribe or mechanic to hype this update.
Anyway last i will say about it i hope lol. I kinda left 1-2 monhs ago already. I did not expect this step,contrary to others. Because i realy think this wont do any good even for just short term revenu let alone long term.
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I think people are just being blindly naïve to think anything other than THIS IS A BUSINESS. One that makes products for the entertainment market. Plain and simple as that. They arent a “gaming company” whatever that is in your romanticized imagination. They have employees to pay, contracts to honor, bills to pay, shareholders to answer to, all that stuff that any other company that makes a product no one ever thinks twice about when they make changes to a product to increase revenues or change something about the way they provide it or whatever and you get a slight variant on what you’ve been buying all along.
If this were say Craft changing the number of slices in their American Cheese packs to contain 2 less slices but they increased the dimensions of the slices by a proportional amount to offset those 2 missing slices, in order to say lower their plastic costs… no one would have hardly even given any notice at all. They make a decision that doesnt change the total amount of cheese you get, despite the 2 fewer slices, but I imagine the people round here would think that makes the Cheese in my hypothetical P2W or something…
I dont quite Undertand how your Cheese-Example makes any sense in this scenario, because Cheese is not a PvP-Game last time i checked.
It does not matter what others get when buying cheese, you always get the Same Product …
In BGs you have to play with others who might pay more than you to get an Advantage, decreasing the Value for you individually as you are directly compared to these other Players.
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So other people are buying other cheese or different quantity of it or diff brand etc… its not going to be a 1:1 identical in every way analogy as its just a product. like any other product people buy, there are a variety of options you can get out there. some cost more but you might justify it for reasons a and b, while others dont have to have the exact same purchase as you make. they may not even purchase any cheese at all as they are F2P lactose intolerant.
You seem to be missing the Point:
Your Cheese does not become worse because other people buy more expensive Cheese
Your average BG Game WILL become Worse if your Enemys consistently get stronger Heroes than you by paying for Tokens.