Battlegrounds are not pure luck

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Many people like to complain that their random auto battler takes no skill and is 100% luck.

Jeef recently made a run to #1 EU over three days. Here are his placements over that run.

1, 2, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 3, 2, 1, 1, 1, 1, 3, 1, 4, 1, 2, 3, 1, 1, 8, 2, 2, 1, 1, 4, 2, 5, 1, 1, 2, 1, 2, 4, 1, 4, 2, 1, 2, 1, 4, 1, 1, 1, 1

Jeef insane run to get #1 in EU : BobsTavern (reddit.com)

This isn’t the first time he’s made a similar run and it isn’t even his best stretch.

Clearly, there’s more than luck involved.

You can see what heroes he used here, but be warned he uses NSFW language in his stream: [#2 EU/NA] huh? - Twitch

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sheeeeeeesh that’s a run. to be fair they did name a leveling curve after him so it’s not surprising

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My guess is you havent experienced 20+ refreshes without getting anything useful , while 1-2 other people get everything they need before turn 8… literally … but keep thinking this game is skill and brain required xD

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No, I haven’t, because that’s not how you play the mode. If you do that you lose because you’re terrible at the game.

Seriously, if you just sit there and roll for something you die unless you are already at a full endgame comp.

Seriously, the same player is #1 EU and NA.

I’ll say this for you so you can maybe understand: It only looks like luck to people who don’t know enough to know how much they don’t know.

Get gud.

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completely agree, some people get what they need and roll hard. Granted the game isn’t all luck, there is some skill involved but let’s over think this . . . the mode is mostly luck of the draw.

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The same player is top in EU and US and you’re saying the mode is “mostly” luck?

It’s “mostly” luck to win when you have no idea what you’re doing and only play in straight lines of play.

These “mostly luck” people are the same ones always complaining about over powered murlocs and how poison should be removed from the mode because it keeps messing up pretty stat comps.

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I’ve been watching his stream, dude . . . the draws he gets are insane. Sorry but I find most streamers get really good draws. But he does play well and also has extreme good attacks.

Look I’m not saying it’s all luck but you have to admit his draws are crazy good.

For the record I know poison has it’s role in the mode but I think they need to re-think it and they need to remove Leeroy badly.

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I agree with the first part, but not the latter.

I think leeroy is GREAT tech and should be a thing for sure.

That being said, I think it’s waaay too easy to get poisons with Sefin and that should be changed. I don’t want to see entire boards with poison from a single minion. idk how many times I have dropped a scallywag into a murloc group for two turns to kick start the poison train. I much preferred toxfin.

I have seen nothing to suggest draws are non-random, but it takes more than luck to be where he is.

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This proves the game is rigged. Thank you for the proof, Selwynn.

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This is how bad players think it’s played and why they lose.

The only time this is acceptable is if you have an uncontested endgame comp already.

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Eh . . . don’t agree. But that’s fine we don’t have too and I’m sure I am no where near the player he is and nor do I have the time to play like he does and I will say I think there is more luck involved than you think and more skill than I think.

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This is completely fair.

Tell me why you don’t like leeroy?

I get bothered when he’s reborn and paired with khadgar on LK builds (lol), but otherwise love him as a counter to an integer capped divine shield dragon.

There’s risk in taking leeroy because it can very easy miss by hitting the wrong target or being countered. I see lots of DS builds with tunnel blaster, baron, and selfless, which just deletes leeroy play.

But because his effect only works on his own death, he’s a 1:1 trade and can’t be used to destroy a whole board like a large poison unit can.

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Because there is NO counter for it at all and if you’re lucky enough to draw one at the end of the game its a HUGE advantage. It’s too powerful of a game changer in the end game.

Besides, Leeroy didn’t kill ANYTHING in that moment he was famous for so why should he kill anything on your opponents board. How it should work is that it kills the one minion it attacks and then one random minion on your board as well. Because he did wipe that raid.

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There’s a hard counter, actually.

Cleaves can also mitigate the impact. Atremedes also ruins leeroy’s day.

It is also useless against mechs, frogs, and some demon builds.

Poison can and frequently does trade better than 1:1, which is what is required to win a round.

Leeroy can help you win a round by knocking out a single minion, but that’s all he can ever do. He beats bad boards, tbh, not good ones.

Now if you’ve built your board to rely on a single minion, that’s a different topic than leeroy bad.

Only if you weren’t actually powerful, though. If I have a good endgame, I know leeroy won’t stop me. If I am worried about leeroy winning a round then I didn’t make a good board and I earned my loss.

I mean, he killed a few whelps before he went down, I’m sure, lol.

He’s a glass cannon, though, for that very reason.

No, how it should work is golden leeroy kills the minion it attacks and the minion next to it.

But I get what you mean, lol.

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This alone makes you wonder if he was drunk between these 2 games or if luck has a big impact even for pros (unbalanced heroes?).

For not pros luck is probably more relevant, you can’t convince a casual BG player that luck is not important. Even if only 30% of the game is dictated by luck, that’s almost a coin flip.
Since it’s fun, i don’t care

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It’s like any game with a substantial RNG component. Sometimes you’re just screwed. But the fact that he performs far better than random means there’s some skill/knowledge component.

Or puts on tinfoil streamers are given good RNG to boost sales.

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It happens for sure, granted they have to be popular and have big audiences but it happens.

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OK. You have a fun board and a couple of triples.You have 1 tier 6 minion. Nobody else has your set up.

Then you go through for 3 rounds where you refresh 10 times and don’t pick up a single additional card. The 4th round you pick up another t6 but then its over and you finish 2nd against someone you have beaten by non-fatal margins twice earlier.

Do you have more specific advice then git gud? I have no better idea then keep rolling for triples, sometimes that fails.

But I do agree with the statement that bg;'s is not pure luck. Its just 99% of us do not hav e the skill to win every game.

Sometimes we are lucky enough to get 1st, aometimes we have bad enough luck to be 5th.

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And you die because this strategy is absolute fail. It’s bad play. I NEVER do this. I don’t refresh forever on any turn unless I am already at a full end comp seeking to triple my already massive scaling, game breaking set up.

It’s a total you problem by not understanding the game.

That’s a win. That’s exactly how you climb. If you finish second ever single time you play you end up at the top of the ladder at the end of the season. It’s honestly that simple.

I think more of us have skill when we stop shrugging off bottom four games to “bad luck” and focus on places we could have made better and different choices.

Top four is completely a skill, not a luck thing. It’s all about what you want to do in your lobbies.